Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sorry, but you can not legitimately argue there are not an unprecedented number of fake and real news agencies that have spent the last decade trying to convince any Canadian listening that Trudeau is worse than Hitler, and Conservatives have the solution.

And don't you ####ing try to "but the CBC!" Me on this one.

This post is quite ironic coming from the guy who is consistently trying to convince any Canadians listening that Poilievre is a fascist and the CPC is a fascist party while sourcing literal communist sources to prove it

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Can you provide the math you used to determine that? I would like to see for myself if i get more back.

Thanks

There are calculators online, I believe the CBC has one.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

This post is quite ironic coming from the guy who is consistently trying to convince any Canadians listening that Poilievre is a fascist and the CPC is a fascist party while sourcing literal communist sources to prove it

If that's the best rebuttal you can come up with to the misinformation factories on the right, I do believe my point has been proven.You can try again though, anything else on the docket?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Takes guts to keep showing up parroting in here MrFeverPollieverlemming. lol

Welcome back!

We missed you on whine Wednesday!!

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It pays me money. I come out ahead. Isn't that what Conservatives support? A FYGM attitude? It would be foolish for me to oppose it using your metrics.

How many times have you had COVID?

Never got COVID. Why?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You think your life will improve if the tax is removed? Hmm.

Things wil not continue to get worse with every increase, that’s for sure!!

Give up on the carbon tax, even the Liberals are giving up on it. It didn’t work.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

There are calculators online, I believe the CBC has one.

Thanks i found it, but its just calculating based on an estimate of your direct costs and not the indirect costs, which quite frankly is almost impossible, which why people don't believe those numbers because they can't possibly account for the costs that get passed down to the consumer along the supply chain. So the question is how much of that money you supposedly saving is still being eaten up by those indirect costs. You can never determine whether you make money or not, that's the deception of the whole thing

Let's call carbon tax IN CANADA what it is

1. It won't make dent in world emissions. Canada's emissions are a spec of sand on the beach, don't give me the per capita bs

2. What is though is another wealth transfer scheme, I am not going to debate whether that is a good thing or not but let's call a spade a spade

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Never got COVID. Why?

Fascinating...

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Fascinating...

Well I’m glad I fascinate you. Is there a point?

Feel free to PM me if you want to know more about me. Wink wink.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Fascinating...

Herd immunity - aka - he rode the coattails of others.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Thanks i found it, but its just calculating based on an estimate of your direct costs and not the indirect costs, which quite frankly is almost impossible, which why people don't believe those numbers because they can't possibly account for the costs that get passed down to the consumer along the supply chain. So the question is how much of that money you supposedly saving is still being eaten up by those indirect costs. You can never determine whether you make money or not, that's the deception of the whole thing

Let's call carbon tax IN CANADA what it is

1. It won't make dent in world emissions. Canada's emissions are a spec of sand on the beach, don't give me the per capita bs

2. What is though is another wealth transfer scheme, I am not going to debate whether that is a good thing or not but let's call a spade a spade

I figured you'd go right there. Indirect cost increases are minimal, as economists have shown, and I'm still ahead. Yes, it could be seen as a wealth transfer from those over consuming their carbon budget to those making efforts and different choices. You are still free to make poor choices like daily driving an F350 to work, but you have to pay more costs to cover some of your excess consumption. Think of it as an incentive to reduce waste. Waste is bad, so reducing it is good.



No, alone it isn't doing much for global emissions, but BC has shown it to be effective at reducing their provinces emissions, and carbon taxes have repeatedly been shown by economists from both sides to be effective. If your claim is that no one else on earth is making sacrifices, one, your wrong, and two, that's a stunningly defeatest attitude.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Herd immunity - aka - he rode the coattails of others.

How so?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Welcome back!

We missed you on whine Wednesday!!

Well no one missed your lemming statements mrfever! lol

Imagine someone simping so hard for such a dweeb like Pierre Pest.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I figured you'd go right there. Indirect cost increases are minimal, as economists have shown, and I'm still ahead. Yes, it could be seen as a wealth transfer from those over consuming their carbon budget to those making efforts and different choices. You are still free to make poor choices like daily driving an F350 to work, but you have to pay more costs to cover some of your excess consumption. Think of it as an incentive to reduce waste. Waste is bad, so reducing it is good.

Anyways the "science" of ecomomics are rooted in opinion and poltical bias most of the time and time scales also play a factor..This is illustrated by

On average, however, the PBO said households will be worse off by 2030-31 when the economic impact on GDP and investment income is factored in — just not as badly off as his original report suggested last March.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pbo...-tax-1.7348421

Guess it depends on what answer you want at the end.

Either way if you "think" you are better of, that is all that matters.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

No, alone it isn't doing much for global emissions, but BC has shown it to be effective at reducing their provinces emissions, and carbon taxes have repeatedly been shown by economists from both sides to be effective. If your claim is that no one else on earth is making sacrifices, one, your wrong, and two, that's a stunningly defeatest attitude.

As far as BC goes, thats great!

This has resulted in nearly a 2% decrease over 12 years since the tax was first implemented.

That 2008 - 2020***
*please note that there were lockdowns in 2020.

Is it the carbon tax in BC responsible for that?

The US (no federal carbon tax) has also seen a massive reduction (3 more years added in but still a massive difference)

US greenhouse gas emissions have decreased since 2007, when they reached their peak. In 2022, emissions were 15.2% lower than in 2007.

Again a pandemic in there but no federal carbon tax although similar programs from a few states (cap and trade)

Seem to being a much better job down there!

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Well I’m glad I fascinate you. Is there a point?

Feel free to PM me if you want to know more about me. Wink wink.

Because he disagrees with you, he's trying to make a joke based on an earlier comment that the more times someone has had Covid, the dumber they are.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Fortunately unlike COVID, it also doesn't leave people dumber. Which it turns out is a pretty big problem, judging by the direction of society since the pandemic started.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...iq-scores-are/

We should start asking nonsensical posters how many times they've had COVID, we might extract some fascinating trends.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by kevman

Because he disagrees with you, he's trying to make a joke based on an earlier comment that the more times someone has had Covid, the dumber they are.

The guy is so witty.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Anyways the "science" of ecomomics are rooted in opinion and poltical bias most of the time and time scales also play a factor..This is illustrated by

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pbo...-tax-1.7348421

Guess it depends on what answer you want at the end.

Either way if you "think" you are better of, that is all that matters.

As far as BC goes, thats great!

That 2008 - 2020***
*please note that there were lockdowns in 2020.

Is it the carbon tax in BC responsible for that?

The US (no federal carbon tax) has also seen a massive reduction (3 more years added in but still a massive difference)

Again a pandemic in there but no federal carbon tax although similar programs from a few states (cap and trade)

Seem to being a much better job down there!

Your ability to analyze and understand these things is, frankly, ####e, and I'm not really interested in carrying on. That doesn't mean I'm taking an L, I'm just not going to continue when you are so disingenuous.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

It was a cheap ploy for votes.
Pulling a lever on one group makes the other group feel good.

What percent of Canadians have 250k in capital gains outside their homes?

It is inconviencing the 1% to benefit the 99%. That's not decisive politics.

The answer isnt always raise taxes when the spending of that money has been wasted.

Can you point to any studies or proof that the Canadian government wastes money at a greater rate than other govs around the world?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The next carbon tax increase is set to increase again in April 2025 from 80$ per tonne to 95$. Right on time for when the election is likely to be set.

Basically the Liberals (and NDP) have made sure carbon tax is a yearly debate that just keeps on giving (or taking).

This is a good example of how politics interferes with policy. Because the Carbon tax is being implemented in a manner designed to slowly escalate over time to encourage changes before the full impact is realized it becomes a political point of contention and framed as a tax increase every year. Politically it may have just been better to do it in two or 3 significant jumps.

Things like $10 daycare, Carbon Tax once fully implemented, property tax minimum wage should all be indexed to inflation. We don’t all celebrate the tax cut every year we get when RRSP limits and personal deductions go up.

Really the debates should happen once in these things rather than continually and perhaps periodically revisited.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Your ability to analyze and understand these things is, frankly, ####e, and I'm not really interested in carrying on. That doesn't mean I'm taking an L, I'm just not going to continue when you are so disingenuous.

You took the L.