Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Andy83

It's most definitely his "message to make". Threats to our security are 100% their concern too.

Again, this isn't new information. Its not a new issue. We have had time, and done very little. Y'all can keep bringing up the same talking points in an attempt to deflect responsibility, but a lot of this is on Canada. We have proven this was not a priority with the previous administration. That decision resulted in where we are now. In isolation, pointing out this fact and exerting pressure when nothing is being done, doesn't make you an #######.

The US isn't perfect. They definitely have a ton of their own issues, some of these issues negatively impact Canadians. That doesn't impact the relevance of this particular topic.

I understand if you dont like where the message is coming from, or how its articulated, but in this particular case, it shouldn't be less relevant.

So answer my question. Should our PM threaten their sovereignty over the long list of issues the US has and haven't addressed?
Would you respond with the same support if this was reversed?

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Igottago

No we didn't. There's no excuse for an American president to be threatening Canada's sovereignty. Period. There's literally no grey area here.

Why should Canadians have to to respond to his idiotic bluster with thoughtful self reflection? Do you think he would do the same?

Oh? So someone else made us piss away valuable resources that could have been spent on our own security?

I couldn't care less about trumps self reflection. I know he's concerned our security is pitiful, and rightfully so. I know he's seen nothing being done to solve the problem. I know he's seen billions being pissed away.

If you were an American, and you knew the situation, where do you draw the line when it comes to your own security? How many times do you ask "pretty please" "like an adult", see little to no improvement, before you say enough is enough? Trump is for America first. Its his mandate. As Canadians, it's not pretty. But we sure as hell did it to ourselves, and the man definitely has a point.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Andy83

It's most definitely his "message to make". Threats to our security are 100% their concern too.

Again, this isn't new information. Its not a new issue. We have had time, and done very little. Y'all can keep bringing up the same talking points in an attempt to deflect responsibility, but a lot of this is on Canada. We have proven this was not a priority with the previous administration. That decision resulted in where we are now. In isolation, pointing out this fact and exerting pressure when nothing is being done, doesn't make you an #######.

The US isn't perfect. They definitely have a ton of their own issues, some of these issues negatively impact Canadians. That doesn't impact the relevance of this particular topic.

I understand if you dont like where the message is coming from, or how its articulated, but in this particular case, it shouldn't be less relevant.

What account did you used to post under?

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What account did you used to post under?

No previous account.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you run through your Harper logic?

He (despite some actions that would have made it worse) gets credit for navigating through 2008 among the best of in the world. That to me puts him in the better half and certainly better than Trudeau.

Trudeau’s normalization of Scandal puts him fairly far down. He shouldn’t have survived SNC Lavilin.

In my opinion Trudeau’s only real success and it’s a significant one was vaccine procurement.

Harper saw Canada survive 2008 despite his efforts, not because of him. If he had gotten his policies implemented as desired, we probably would have been in worse shape than the US because we had less capacity to manage a calamity.

[Fuzz]

Trudeau has the other great success of legalizing marijuana which meant money wasn't wasted on enforcement, judicial, and prisons. Plus the tax benefits, and the reduction in organized crime profiting from it and causing more issues.

[Ironhorse]

The only thing Trudeau is going to be remembered for, besides his impressive list of scandals and ethics "missteps", is legalizing weed.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

The only thing Trudeau is going to be remembered for, besides his impressive list of scandals and ethics "missteps", is legalizing weed.

If you are going to have one legacy...


He did it so early on, too. Should have quit while he was high.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you run through your Harper logic?

He (despite some actions that would have made it worse) gets credit for navigating through 2008 among the best of in the world. That to me puts him in the better half and certainly better than Trudeau.

Which he only did because the NDP, Bloc and Liberals threatened to topple his minority if he didn't. His initial plan was similar to the US and was a pure austerity measure, which would have done unbelievable damage.


Harper's best quality was his desperate political instinct to survive. If he wasn't the parliamentary equivalent of a #### roach, Canada would have been in deep ####.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Which he only did because the NDP, Bloc and Liberals threatened to topple his minority if he didn't. His initial plan was similar to the US and was a pure austerity measure, which would have done unbelievable damage.


Harper's best quality was his desperate political instinct to survive. If he wasn't the parliamentary equivalent of a #### roach, Canada would have been in deep ####.

Right, along with measures taken before he was the PM regarding regulating the financial system. And fund fact that ties this into where we are today...this is when he prorogued parliament!

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

So answer my question. Should our PM threaten their sovereignty over the long list of issues the US has and haven't addressed?
Would you respond with the same support if this was reversed?

To be honest, it's a silly, poorly conceived question for multiple reasons.

First, ironically, the "threat" would be laughable. For it to be a legitimate threat youd have to have the ability to actually do something about it.

Second (using your example of US guns making their way into Canada), the threat of US gun violence in Canada pales in comparison to national security concerns the US has over our lack of GAF about our own security. Of course it's horrible, it's a legitimate issue that needs to be addressed, however, as any "adult" can deduce, "one size fits all" responses to these scenarios don't fit.

So, assuming there was a comparable scenario, we had the ability to back such threats, the US wasn't acting, sure, if that's what I thought was necessary, I'd back it 100% if it meant more security for my country.

Some idiots, like Trudeau obviously don't understand anything but the stick when it comes to some things.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you run through your Harper logic?

He (despite some actions that would have made it worse) gets credit for navigating through 2008 among the best of in the world. That to me puts him in the better half and certainly better than Trudeau.

Trudeau’s normalization of Scandal puts him fairly far down. He shouldn’t have survived SNC Lavilin.

In my opinion Trudeau’s only real success and it’s a significant one was vaccine procurement.

A couple I'd give Trudeau credit for: $10/day daycare (Still a work in progress), legalized marijuana, dental and pharma care (limited and mainly because of the NDP but still), child care benefit, Trump v1.0 and CUSMA

A couple that he gets credit for, and not in a good way: immigration and housing (although housing is certainly not him alone, this had been on a bad trajectory but he didn't do a lot to stop or fix it), broken promise on delivering electoral reform.

I'm also of the view that Carbon tax was a good policy (*ducks for cover*), but he kind of torpedoed that one towards the end.

[Doctorfever]

https://chamber.ca/news/trumps-25-ta...a-and-the-u-s/

A 25% tariff applied across-the-board on all U.S. imports could push Canada’s economy into recession by the middle of 2025. But these results also underscore Canada’s economic importance to the U.S. — something that’s often underappreciated south of the border. Make no mistake, if Trump imposed these tariffs, it would represent a significant negative shock to the U.S. economy. It would raise costs for businesses, make American production less competitive internationally, and raise prices even more for consumers who’ve recently suffered through the pandemic and the highest inflation in generations.

Stephen Tapp, Chief Economist. Canadian Chamber of Commerce

So, our PM knew this, has known about this for a long time, and now chose to quit, leaving Canadians in a very vulnerable position.

Obviously, as stated, these tariffs hurt the US as well, but Canada is not in a strong enough position economically the weather this without potentially going into a recession.

Trudeau wasn’t able to properly lead this country and now he can’t even quit properly.

Good riddance.

[Fuzz]

$10 a day daycare is dumb, because it has no consideration for inflation. It's a good thing for positive messaging, but bad policy. Anything that lasts more than a year needs a more complicated calculation. I wish governments would stop doing this.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

$10 a day daycare is dumb, because it has no consideration for inflation. It's a good thing for positive messaging, but bad policy. Anything that lasts more than a year needs a more complicated calculation. I wish governments would stop doing this.

That part is dumb, sure, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Significantly decreasing the cost of daycare has huge ramifications for affordability and keeping parents in the workplace.

Biased as a parent of a nearly 3 year old. We both earn good salaries but this still has a huge impact on us. Daycare costs were insane before this.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Torture

That part is dumb, sure, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Significantly decreasing the cost of daycare has huge ramifications for affordability and keeping parents in the workplace.

Biased as a parent of a nearly 3 year old. We both earn good salaries but this still has a huge impact on us. Daycare costs were insane before this.

Ya, no problem with the program, more the practice for any policy like this.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Torture

That part is dumb, sure, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Significantly decreasing the cost of daycare has huge ramifications for affordability and keeping parents in the workplace.

Biased as a parent of a nearly 3 year old. We both earn good salaries but this still has a huge impact on us. Daycare costs were insane before this.

You actually got into one?!
It sounds great in theory but hasn't helped us one bit.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Slava

The economic union makes no sense and Canadians should be entirely opposed to that line of thinking.

I hear you but on some level I am intrigued by the idea of a "limited" EU style arrangement, particularly when it comes to trade and monetary policy.

I have not looked into it but I wonder from a trade and other perspectives would the UK have been better off adopting the Euro rather than keeping the pound sterling? Of course that's academic now.....

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Torture

That part is dumb, sure, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Significantly decreasing the cost of daycare has huge ramifications for affordability and for keeping parents in the workplace.

Biased as a parent of a nearly 3 year old. We both earn good salaries but this still has a huge impact on us. Daycare costs were insane before this.

This only encourages Canadians to have more children you freeloaders. This only adds to the sheer amount of environment damage that the horrific levels of carbon that is being produced by this country that is overwhelming the world. ####, having a kid is the single worst action you can take in this climate emergency and we're financially encouraging it? Madness! It's an emergency and all you disgusting people are just ####ing like rabbits when you can't even afford it yourself.

/s

[Fuzz]

I hope this isn't too personal, but I was under the impression you did quite well financially.

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You actually got into one?!
It sounds great in theory but hasn't helped us one bit.