Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Isn't it just going to be "we're assessing you on the basis that this is the law even though it isn't. If it turns out that it still isn't the law by next time you have to file a return, you will get a refund. Since that will happen when the CPC is in power, them having a bit less revenue isn't an issue for us, and for the taxpayer, you'll have given the government an interest free loan and we'll place the administrative burden of figuring out how much refund we owe you on you. Have fun."

My initial instinct is 'No.'

Heres the thing, CRA operates very differently from a lot of other agencies.

For instance, when Trudeau instituted the Teacher's Supply Tax Credit that was all well and good except...it didnt immediately get Royal Assent, so if you applied for it, instead of just...processing the tax return without it and circling back later the whole return got frozen in limbo. You can google the reports. It was brutal.

But that was a small boutique tax credit that inconvenienced a relatively small, niche demographic. Capital Gains is a whole other ball game.

Thats a big one. That affects a lot of people and a lot of money.

So, what are they going to do? You cant just freeze tax returns that have Capital Gains. Thats a huge demographic. They need to make a decision.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by SebC

Above Poilievre.

So bottom 2?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

So bottom 2?

Somewhere above Poilievre, not necessarily immediately adjacent.

[greyshep]

This thread is missing some memes....

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Andy83

Except..... He does have a point......

You should strongly consider running in the Liberal leadership race. You seem to have just the right mix of narcissism, D-baggery, uncontrollable verbal diarrhea and chronic TDS to fit in quite nicely over there.

Facts and reality don't matter anymore, only perception. It doesn't matter if Trump has a point or not. You don't acknowledge it. You don't give it oxygen, or debate it or you will lose, because they don't care about reality. Have you learned nothing?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Locke

So, what are they going to do? You cant just freeze tax returns that have Capital Gains. Thats a huge demographic. They need to make a decision.

Maybe this just gives the CPC an excuse to throw up their hands say, "look, CRA did this, not us, so we're going to have to formalize this in law for the 2024 year and you'll just have to be stuck with the bill. But we'll undo it for the 2025 tax year." Or 2026 if they don't get to it in time given the timing of the election.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe this just gives the CPC an excuse to throw up their hands say, "look, CRA did this, not us, so we're going to have to formalize this in law for the 2024 year and you'll just have to be stuck with the bill. But we'll undo it for the 2025 tax year." Or 2026 if they don't get to it in time given the timing of the election.

Nope.

CRA doesnt make decisions on broad policy, that comes from Government and CRA simply enforces them.

What happens now? I have a few theories but...it could go a bunch of different ways.

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Facts and reality don't matter anymore, only perception. It doesn't matter if Trump has a point or not. You don't acknowledge it. You don't give it oxygen, or debate it or you will lose, because they don't care about reality. Have you learned nothing?

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it's all the other guy, you do you. Just know, that's never going to solve the issue.

Reality is Canada has let a lot slip because we have our big brother to the south to protect us. Of course they have a great interest in doing so, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing our part. Especially when these things slip in favor of massive waste.

Reality is, these decisions have consequences with regards to our relationship with the US. To just say "he's full of #### and facts and reality don't matter to him", throw your hands up and pretend like all is well and good up here, isn't going to fix a real problem.

He's full of #### a lot of the time. With regards to this particular subject, he's got a really good point. Ignoring it "giving it no oxygen", does us no good.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Andy83

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it's all the other guy, you do you. Just know, that's never going to solve the issue.

Reality is Canada has let a lot slip because we have our big brother to the south to protect us. Of course they have a great interest in doing so, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing our part. Especially when these things slip in favor of massive waste.

Reality is, these decisions have consequences with regards to our relationship with the US. To just say "he's full of #### and facts and reality don't matter to him", throw your hands up and pretend like all is well and good up here, isn't going to fix a real problem.

He's full of #### a lot of the time. With regards to this particular subject, he's got a really good point. Ignoring it "giving it no oxygen", does us no good.

We can address it on our own terms without saying the fascist who wants to take us over has a good ####ing point. Damn, man why is this so hard to understand?


Yes, we need to be better on our protection of arctic sovereignty, but that includes protecting it from the ######nozzle who "has a good point."

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Andy83

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it's all the other guy, you do you. Just know, that's never going to solve the issue.

Reality is Canada has let a lot slip because we have our big brother to the south to protect us. Of course they have a great interest in doing so, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing our part. Especially when these things slip in favor of massive waste.

Reality is, these decisions have consequences with regards to our relationship with the US. To just say "he's full of #### and facts and reality don't matter to him", throw your hands up and pretend like all is well and good up here, isn't going to fix a real problem.

He's full of #### a lot of the time. With regards to this particular subject, he's got a really good point. Ignoring it "giving it no oxygen", does us no good.

Canadians aren't obliged to take his concerns seriously if they are delivered with threat against our sovereignty. The US should communicate their concerns like adults and partners, not playground bullies.

[Torture]

Economic warfare on Canada and Greenland. (ie. the EU) Hey look, we're in the process of attacking the US' biggest allies and essentially dismantling NATO.

Who does that benefit?

Spoiler!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Torture

Economic warfare on Canada and Greenland. (ie. the EU) Hey look, we're in the process of attacking the US' biggest allies and essentially dismantling NAFTA.

Who does that benefit?

Spoiler!

Bingo. All this chaos is catnip for Putin, and the stupid rubes keep falling for it.

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We can address it on our own terms without saying the fascist who wants to take us over has a good ####ing point. Damn, man why is this so hard to understand?


Yes, we need to be better on our protection of arctic sovereignty, but that includes protecting it from the ######nozzle who "has a good point."

We have had ample time to address it on our own terms, and haven't. Worse yet, funds that could have been used to at least start the process of getting to where we should be, have been pissed away. Not so sure what's so hard to understand about that.

I definitely don't agree with the entirety of his comments, and acknowledge there is likely a much better way to go about making sure a similar message is read loud and clear. At the same time, these issues are not new. No one is surprised by this information, yet nothing substantial has been done. Maybe a kick in the ass is what's needed, even if you dislike the one doing the kicking, or how he goes about telling you he's going to do it.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This is how you know he isn't playing with a full deck.

How many cards do you need for it to be considered a deck? Probably more than one?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Andy83

We have had ample time to address it on our own terms, and haven't. Worse yet, funds that could have been used to at least start the process of getting to where we should be, have been pissed away. Not so sure what's so hard to understand about that.

This is what we have elections for and our PM who hasn't' addressed these things just stepped down.

I definitely don't agree with the entirety of his comments, and acknowledge there is likely a much better way to go about making sure a similar message is read loud and clear. At the same time, these issues are not new. No one is surprised by this information, yet nothing substantial has been done. Maybe a kick in the ass is what's needed, even if you dislike the one doing the kicking, or how he goes about telling you he's going to do it.

It's not his message to make.
He can voice concerns in his diplomatic meetings with our leaders.

Should Canada threaten US sovereignty because they haven't cleaned up their gun problems which are now finding ways into our country?
Maybe a kick in the ass is what they need.

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Canadians aren't obliged to take his concerns seriously if they are delivered with threat against our sovereignty. The US should communicate their concerns like adults and partners, not playground bullies.

As I replied to Fuzz, these are not new issues. We have had ample time to make steps in the right direction, for the benefit of our own security, and strengthening of our relationship with the US. Instead, our elected leaders pissed away what could have made a big difference. I agree, threats like this definitely don't help, but we did it to ourselves. Time will tell if it's exactly what we needed.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Andy83

We have had ample time to address it on our own terms, and haven't. Worse yet, funds that could have been used to at least start the process of getting to where we should be, have been pissed away. Not so sure what's so hard to understand about that.

I definitely don't agree with the entirety of his comments, and acknowledge there is likely a much better way to go about making sure a similar message is read loud and clear. At the same time, these issues are not new. No one is surprised by this information, yet nothing substantial has been done. Maybe a kick in the ass is what's needed, even if you dislike the one doing the kicking, or how he goes about telling you he's going to do it.

You can do all these things with uttering the words "he has a good point". You can even think it. The second you acknowledge it that way you show your weaknesses and then we get boxed in by only being able to follow what he tells us.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Andy83

As I replied to Fuzz, these are not new issues. We have had ample time to make steps in the right direction, for the benefit of our own security, and strengthening of our relationship with the US. Instead, our elected leaders pissed away what could have made a big difference. I agree, threats like this definitely don't help, but we did it to ourselves. Time will tell if it's exactly what we needed.

No we didn't. There's no excuse for an American president to be threatening Canada's sovereignty. Period. There's literally no grey area here.

Why should Canadians have to to respond to his idiotic bluster with thoughtful self reflection? Do you think he would do the same?

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

This is what we have elections for and our PM who hasn't' addressed these things just stepped down.


It's not his message to make.
He can voice concerns in his diplomatic meetings with our leaders.

Should Canada threaten US sovereignty because they haven't cleaned up their gun problems which are now finding ways into our country?
Maybe a kick in the ass is what they need.

It's most definitely his "message to make". Threats to our security are 100% their concern too.

Again, this isn't new information. Its not a new issue. We have had time, and done very little. Y'all can keep bringing up the same talking points in an attempt to deflect responsibility, but a lot of this is on Canada. We have proven this was not a priority with the previous administration. That decision resulted in where we are now. In isolation, pointing out this fact and exerting pressure when nothing is being done, doesn't make you an #######.

The US isn't perfect. They definitely have a ton of their own issues, some of these issues negatively impact Canadians. That doesn't impact the relevance of this particular topic.

I understand if you dont like where the message is coming from, or how its articulated, but in this particular case, it shouldn't be less relevant.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

10 years isn't a lot of time to pass before judgement but I'd bet Trudeau will rank in the upper half. I suspect most people can't without help, name 10 PMs anyway. But for recent PMs he's above Harper, Clark, Turner, Martin, Campbell, probably behind his dad, Mulroney (who I didn't like but you can't deny he was impactful), and Chretien.

Can you run through your Harper logic?

He (despite some actions that would have made it worse) gets credit for navigating through 2008 among the best of in the world. That to me puts him in the better half and certainly better than Trudeau.

Trudeau’s normalization of Scandal puts him fairly far down. He shouldn’t have survived SNC Lavilin.

In my opinion Trudeau’s only real success and it’s a significant one was vaccine procurement.