2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Robbob]

It is almost better look at cap hits as a % of the cap vs AAV. When Iginla made 7M and the cap 56M, it obviously isn't the same as Kadri and his 7M with an 88M cap.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Korchinski and Nazar don't look that special.
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Nazar is 20 years old. He just recently joined the hawks after playing 24 games in the AHL with a 94 point pace.

Yeah, time to give up on him.

Korchinski is also 20 years old, and was forced to play NHL time as a 19 year old. Defenseman can take time to develop.

They are both high end prospects.

Zary is 3 years older than these guys. It takes time to establish yourself in the NHL.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Robbob

It is almost better look at cap hits as a % of the cap vs AAV. When Iginla made 7M and the cap 56M, it obviously isn't the same as Kadri and his 7M with an 88M cap.

Jarome Iginla made $7M when the Salary Cap was $39M.

3 Year contract worth $7M per began in 2005/2006.

2005/2006 Salary Cap: $39M
2006/2007 Salary Cap: $44M
2007/2008 Salary Cap: $50.3M

That contract started at 17.9% of the salary cap.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The team he captained and spent his entire career for didn't feel he was worth much and moved on.

Kadri can still take regular 5 on 5 shifts and plays a premium position.

The doublespeak here is mindblowing. They are producing the exact same this year. That should tell you what this team should probably think of our version.

[dino7c]

I think right now every team would take Kadri for a playoff run over Stamkos who needs top PP minutes to do anything.

Kadri as a 2nd or 3rd line center in a playoff series would be a massive add. He grinds teams down, again ask the Blues who chased him around for three games and lost the series.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kadri has more points than him right now...despite you calling his numbers mediocre.
Less money, more points...Kadri plays a grinding style in the playoffs too. Ask the Blues.

Teams would want Kadri, it makes zero sense for the Flames to move him now unless there is a benefit. Paying to move him or even giving him away now would be stupid. He is one of their better players and good with the young guys.

Kadri as a 2nd or 3rd line center could tip the scales for sure, what is a cup worth?

All conjecture. Kadri is not playing grinding style hockey right now, you watching the games?! He's reverting to his puck hogging do it myself ways from early career if anything. Unfortunately with a step less and worse mitts.
Definitely would never advocate to pay to move him, I just think you're fooling yourself to believe there are teams willing to acquire him out there. (much less actively seeking to do so)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They weren't rebuilding until the year after that Jones trade. That Jones trade was their last ditch attempt to staying competitive with the remnants of their Stanley Cups (Kane and Toews) in 2021.

In 2022, Chicago traded away Debrincat and Dach. That was the start of their rebuild. They realized what they were doing was not a path forward to success, so they hard pivoted in July of 2022.

Maybe the weren't planning on re-building at that stage but they were still rebuilding.

Picking 8th, 3rd, 17th (would have been 9th if not for COVID and the play in), 12th, and 6th in a 5 year stretch is rebuilding...whether they wanted to admit it or not.

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Nazar is 20 years old. He just recently joined the hawks after playing 24 games in the AHL with a 94 point pace.

Yeah, time to give up on him.

Korchinski is also 20 years old, and was forced to play NHL time as a 19 year old. Defenseman can take time to develop.

They are both high end prospects.

Zary is 3 years older than these guys. It takes time to establish yourself in the NHL.

I didn't say they are bad prospects that won't be NHLers...I would just be surprised if they end up being special players or stars in the NHL.

Nazar had okay college production but nothing remarkable. His AHL play was promising for sure and the best he's looked as a prospect but I see a bit of an undersized scoring second line forward from him at best.

Korchinski probably more of a second pairing dman.

Neither of those things is bad...just not special.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They're only in year 3 of their rebuild though. They dealt Patrick Kane in February 2023.

Things look dire? They have insane amounts of salary cap, and just in the last 3 drafts:

7th Overall: Korchinski (D)
13th Overall: Nazar (C)
25th Overall: Rinzel (D)
39th Overall: Ludwinski (C)
57th Overall: Greene (C)

1st Overall: Bedard (C)
19th Overall: Moore (C)
35th Overall: Gajan (G)
44th Overall: Kantserov (W)
55th Overall: Misiak (C)

2nd Overall: Levshunov (D)
18th Overall: Boisvert (C)
27th Overall: Vanacker (W)

Things look dire? They friggin' should right now, but they won't for much longer. In a 3 year span, they've drafted what looks to be a #1 franchise centre, #1 defenceman, #2 defenceman + a bunch of other picks that likely result in top-6 forwards/top-4 defencemen.

If you think Chicago looks dire, or San Jose, then you are massively overestimating the improtance of being the 17th best team in the league.

I'd say after the 2025 draft, Chicago is going to get incredibly aggressive all over the place. Their asset base will be bursting, they've drafted the hardest to fill positions, and have enough salary cap space to do whatever they want.

They also have 3 first round picks and 5 2nd round picks in the next two years, including a very high first round pick this year. Plus they would be a UFA destination.

They may stink quite a bit right now, but they could turn this around quite quickly.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe the weren't planning on re-building at that stage but they were still rebuilding.

Picking 8th, 3rd, 17th (would have been 9th if not for COVID and the play in), 12th, and 6th in a 5 year stretch is rebuilding...whether they wanted to admit it or not.

They were not rebuilding, they were trying to do a Calgary style retooling. They just did it really badly. They gave up when they traded Debrincat and Dach. That’s when the tank style rebuild began.

[dino7c]

Last year was Kadri's 2nd best season in the NHL, his best was 2 seasons ago.

He isn't a guy who dominated in his mid 20s and has fallen off a cliff. We can go on but I just think he is exactly the type of player a good team that already has top end wants to add for a playoff run. The term of the contract is certainly a factor but teams windows don't stay open forever.

I would certainly rather play against Stamkos on a 3rd line in a playoff series vs. Kadri. I guarantee you Tre will be kicking tires over the next couple seasons. Its too bad you can't trade a player with a stipulation to give him back next season lol.

Kadri for the Leafs 1st and we will take the contract back for futures in the offseason

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would look at the bottom 10 standings from last year.

San Jose - Chicago - Anaheim - Columbus - Montreal - Arizona - Ottawa - Seattle - Calgary - New Jersey.


If you look at their rosters to start last year, and then look at their rosters to start this year, which of these would you say have gotten worse. I can only point at one for sure, and that's Calgary. Seattle is sort of 'meh', but I don't think they got worse. With the horrible Gaudreau tragedy, one can point at Columbus. All of those teams have injected a lot of youth (or are in the middle of it), and are expected to get better naturally. Some will flounder, that's for sure, but if you are going to just look at rosters year-to-year, I can only point at the Flames for actively getting worse. Now look at Calgary's cap space available.


If this doesn't tell you that Calgary is in a rebuild, then nothing will.


I trust Conroy here. Halfway through the 2013-14 season, the Flames started overachieving. The underlying metrics stated that it was unsustainable, but they sustained it right through to the end of the playoffs in the 2015 season. They worked their butts off every single night, and they had league-average goaltending. At some point, that kind of effort makes an 82 game season exceptionally grueling, so long-term it isn't sustainable. I look at that team, and I see a team with a lot more firepower than this one. That team pretty much fooled Treliving into believing that they were further ahead in their rebuild than they actually were, and he started making a series of moves to enhance the team.


I don't think Conroy is going to do this. I think he is going to let this team bottom-out. Build through the draft. Then rise up again on the backs of the youth.


At the start of the season, he trotted out the word retool often. During one media availability, someone directly asked what he means by that - they asked for definitions. The definitions that he provided were spot on with rebuild = scorched earth, and retool = rebuild. When you hear retool, what does that mean to you? To me, it means a major move where you replace a core piece or two, and then get back to competing, right? A rebuild is something that takes a a few seasons. A scorched-earth rebuild is when you gut your team completely. On top of this, he has stated in a couple of media interviews that "We just need to be patient. This will take a few seasons."


Maloney stating 'playoffs!" is the exact same as Feaster stating that the mandate is "playoffs" right after trading Iginla and Bouwmeester away. He then had to put on another availability due to the media/fan backlash assuming that Edwards wasn't going for a rebuild after all. I didn't like Feaster much, but one of the things he got right was his feel of that team before the rebuild, calling it a 'sickness' where they were consistently below expectations. That's what Conroy and Maloney mean by playoffs - winning should always be the goal. It is management's job to create the roster, it is up to the coach and players to play hard. A GM's mandate HAS to be 'playoffs!" to the the coach and players.


I am not so worried about this team avoiding a rebuild somehow. They are in one. They are just - like the 2013-15 Flames - exceeding expectations, and this is providing a very good environment to develop guys like Zary, Pospisil, Wolf, Bahl, Coronato and Pelletier now. You want to create that culture and keep it in place. That's part of rebuilding - you are rebuilding the culture as well as the personnel.


At some point, they will simply bottom out. As of now, they sit just outside the wildcard spot. However, they also sit 4 points out of a top 10 pick. Even more interestingly, they sit 6 points out of a top 5 pick. That's the parity this year.


However, if they keep winning, that's ok. The most important thing to me is that Conroy doesn't get fooled by their results, and instead keeps going ahead with whatever plan he laid out. Conroy had a front row seat to that 2013-15 over-achievement, and he had a front row seat to all the moves and signings that were made that worked and didn't work, and what the overall result was, and probably has a few ideas of his own as to why that team never had any real playoff success.


I think the Flames are on the right track here. It wouldn't surprise me if, on paper, next season's Flames were even a little worse on paper again. I guess we will see. To me, my own personal confirmation bias tells me that they are in the early stages of a rebuild - this is the 2013-14 season, only instead of their #1 pick playing in the NHL this year, he is playing in the OHL. That's where I think this team is in their arc, anyway.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They were not rebuilding, they were trying to do a Calgary style retooling. They just did it really badly. They gave up when they traded Debrincat and Dach. That’s when the tank style rebuild began.

I think people get caught up in the nuance of what's a rebuild though.

If you are drafting top 10 and accumulating picks then call it whatever you want retool, rebuild, etc.

I've said it before but teams don't decide when they are rebuilding (maybe New York this season), they end up being bad, and then after a year or two they are rebuilding.

And to me your earliest high picks are the start of the rebuild, not the arbitrary day when they decide "yeah we suck now".

Edit: Funny part is Calgary have never actually done a "Calgary Style Re-tooling" by that definiition. In the Salary Cap era I don't think the Flames ever had a 5 year stretch where they finished in a lottery position 5 straight years...And don't think they've ever traded top 10 picks like Chicago did with the Jones trade, or San Jose with the Karlsson trade.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If Huberdeau is just mediocre you're never going to be happy. Maybe some credit where credit is due?

He's 1.88 Points/60 five on five which is good for #1 on this team and 118th overall (forward 3.6 on the average team), while playing for the club that has scored the third least goals/minute five on five in the league.

That's not $10.5M but it's not mediocre.

Being "good" on a bad team doesn't make you good. He is one of the most sheltered players at 5v5 on the team and barely makes hay with it.

He is mediocre. Which I guess in context with his team mates like Kadri, he is good.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think right now every team would take Kadri for a playoff run over Stamkos who needs top PP minutes to do anything.

Kadri as a 2nd or 3rd line center in a playoff series would be a massive add. He grinds teams down, again ask the Blues who chased him around for three games and lost the series.

Yes I agree that for a playoff run teams take Kadri over Stamkos. Stamkos in his 33-34 season scored 40 goals and 81pts. He is on pace for 51pts in his 34-35 aged season so many teams see that natural drop off and could see the same for Kadri. Kadri’s contract expires a few months before his 39th birthday and while he seems to be aging like Pavelski I am not sure another team looks at that deal and decides they want to pay premium future assets as it comes with 4 more years after this season.

Kadri has been fully worth his contract so far 2.5 years in

[V1nnyTh3Flam35Fan]

Lets try a deal with Winnipeg:
Trade Rasmus Andersson and Dan Vladar (50% RS) to Winnipeg for Colin Miller, Brayden Yager (prospect), 1st round pick 2025 and conditional 2nd round pick 2026 (*=2026 2nd round pick will turn to 2026 1st round pick if Winnipeg advances to 2025 Western Conference finals)

Defence pairs (and goalie tandem) after trade:
Bahl/Weegar
Bean/Miller
Hanley/Pachal
7th D: Barrie
Goalie Tandem: Wolf/Cooley

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Robbob

A 34 year old Stamkos just got 4 years 8M AAV.

34 year old Stamkos 3 years before the deal were 106, 84 and 81pts and has been over a ppg in his 1,100+ NHL career

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

did you even read the post I was responding to?

"Even if it was this year alone on his contract I think it might be difficult."

that is absolute nonsense

Agree with you there. Kadri would get a great return if he was a pending UFA

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Agree with you there. Kadri would get a great return if he was a pending UFA

Brad and Conny should do a nudge nudge, wink wink, deal. We will take him back next year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brad and Conny should do a nudge nudge, wink wink, deal. We will take him back next year.

Can’t help Treliving unless it hurts the Leafs so we need a lot of good pieces back. Treliving is one of the last people I want to see raise the cup

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Can’t help Treliving unless it hurts the Leafs so we need a lot of good pieces back. Treliving is one of the last people I want to see raise the cup

oh yeah he has to PAY