2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Badgers Nose]

‘Mandate is POs’

No #### Sherlock. When has a GM or coach ever come out and said the goal is not to win?

Some of you guys talk like there is only one rigid way to build a winning team. Even though lots of teams copy successful approaches and fail.

You can say whatever ways Calgary tried didn’t work. Fine. But this way is different and we’ll only know whether it worked when the next windows closes and they either have or do not have a Cup or whatever reasonable achievement you want to measure success by.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I do wonder how long the Flames will be patient though. I could see them viewing last year as a sell off, this year they were quite idle. In a year or two is ownership saying hey it's time to start ramping things up? Until they have a solid core I think they need to be patient but I'm skeptical ownership will be okay with that approach long term. Especially if the team isn't drafting high. I really struggle to see where the franchise players are going to come from if they aren't finishing bottom 5 for a few seasons.

I think the game plan is to have a team that they think can make the playoffs in 27-28 when the new barn opens. That timeline to me became more realistic when Wolf started to prove he has the ability to be a solid goalie in the NHL. I think top 10 picks in the next 2 drafts and having additional firsts will help them have a decent shot of having a team that can compete for a spot in year 1 of the new barn but becoming a stronger contender in years 2-5 in Scotia Place

[Badgers Nose]

New building and a nice 10 year run of playoffs in that building before selling the team. That’s my guess.

[GioforPM]

The most blatant tanking I saw was the Penguins in the Mario draft. What did they do? They traded a couple Dmen and played untested goalies. And at this point in the season their record was about .500.



Full story:

https://hockey-graphs.com/2015/04/03...urgh-penguins/

[traptor]

So here is an idea of what our roster would look like in 27-28, when the goal is to compete.

Obviously it will look different, but just based on what we currently have in the system.

Honzek(22) - Zary(25) - Coronato(24)
Huberdeau(34) - Kadri(37) - Pospisil(27)
Pelletier(26) - Kerins(25) - Gridin(21)
Stromgren(24) - Lipinski(23) - Battaglia(21)


parehk(21) - weegar(33)
Bahl(27) - Rasmus(30)
Bruz(22) - Grushnikov(24)

Wolf(26)
Cooley(30)

Center is a glaring gap obviously. Even if we draft a stud this year he'll only be 20 by that time, and probably not ready to be a top6 guy on a competitor.

We're going to need some BIG home run breakouts or trades if we want to be a legit competitor by this time.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

So here is an idea of what our roster would look like in 27-28, when the goal is to compete.

Obviously it will look different, but just based on what we currently have in the system.

Mckenna(19) - Misa(19) - Iginla (19)
Honzek(22) - Zary(25) - Coronato(24)
Huberdeau(34) - Kadri(37) - Pospisil(27)
Pelletier(26) - Kerins(25) - Gridin(21)


parehk(21) - weegar(33)
Bahl(27) - Mews(20)
Bruz(22) - Grushnikov(24)

Wolf(26)
Cooley(30)

Center is a glaring gap obviously. Even if we draft a stud this year he'll only be 20 by that time, and probably not ready to be a top6 guy on a competitor.

We're going to need some BIG home run breakouts or trades if we want to be a legit competitor by this time.

Made some corrections.

If you believe you can achieve. Speak it into the universe.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by traptor

So here is an idea of what our roster would look like in 27-28, when the goal is to compete.

Obviously it will look different, but just based on what we currently have in the system.

Honzek(22) - Zary(25) - Coronato(24)
Huberdeau(34) - Kadri(37) - Pospisil(27)
Pelletier(26) - Kerins(25) - Gridin(21)
Stromgren(24) - Lipinski(23) - Battaglia(21)


parehk(21) - weegar(33)
Bahl(27) - Rasmus(30)
Bruz(22) - Grushnikov(24)

Wolf(26)
Cooley(30)

Center is a glaring gap obviously. Even if we draft a stud this year he'll only be 20 by that time, and probably not ready to be a top6 guy on a competitor.

We're going to need some BIG home run breakouts or trades if we want to be a legit competitor by this time.

In a perfect world all those prospects would make it. Flames will be lucky if half of those young players become NHL regulars.

[Rhett44]

I'm not blaming Conroy, this team shouldn't be as good as its record.

It's just classic Flames that Huberdeau is complete dog crap when we are trying to contend, and now that we need him to be bad he is suddenly good. Anderrson suddenly becomes good again after a down year. Kadri having a good year when he isn't in the long term plans.

Even Vladar was having a great first half of the year when he is not a good goalie at all.

Wolf has been a nice surprise, I can't fault him.

Overall, it is just classic Flames that we seem to be right in the mushy middle again this year. Never bad enough for a top pick.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by traptor

So here is an idea of what our roster would look like in 27-28, when the goal is to compete.

Obviously it will look different, but just based on what we currently have in the system.

Honzek(22) - Zary(25) - Coronato(24)
Huberdeau(34) - Kadri(37) - Pospisil(27)
Pelletier(26) - Kerins(25) - Gridin(21)
Stromgren(24) - Lipinski(23) - Battaglia(21)


parehk(21) - weegar(33)
Bahl(27) - Rasmus(30)
Bruz(22) - Grushnikov(24)

Wolf(26)
Cooley(30)

Center is a glaring gap obviously. Even if we draft a stud this year he'll only be 20 by that time, and probably not ready to be a top6 guy on a competitor.

We're going to need some BIG home run breakouts or trades if we want to be a legit competitor by this time.

You aren't competing if half your team is under 25. That's another middle of the pack team right there at best.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm not blaming Conroy, this team shouldn't be as good as its record.

It's just classic Flames that Huberdeau is complete dog crap when we are trying to contend, and now that we need him to be bad he is suddenly good. Anderrson suddenly becomes good again after a down year. Kadri having a good year when he isn't in the long term plans.

Even Vladar was having a great first half of the year when he is not a good goalie at all.

Wolf has been a nice surprise, I can't fault him.

Overall, it is just classic Flames that we seem to be right in the mushy middle again this year. Never bad enough for a top pick.

They really aren't. They are pretty mediocre to bad.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm not blaming Conroy, this team shouldn't be as good as its record.

It's just classic Flames that Huberdeau is complete dog crap when we are trying to contend, and now that we need him to be bad he is suddenly good. Anderrson suddenly becomes good again after a down year. Kadri having a good year when he isn't in the long term plans.

Even Vladar was having a great first half of the year when he is not a good goalie at all.

Wolf has been a nice surprise, I can't fault him.

Overall, it is just classic Flames that we seem to be right in the mushy middle again this year. Never bad enough for a top pick.

Andersson is having about the same year as last year - half way through he has 18 points, he had 39 total last year. Kadri is not on his pace of last year - more like his pace when he first came to the Flames.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think it's more expectations. When you expect them to be bad, they are good, and when you are invested in them being really good, they #### the bed.

14/15 was supposed to be in the McDavid mix. Make the playoffs, make trades for a guy like Hamilton. 15/16 high expectations make the playsoffs, win a round. Instead, we pick 6th overall.

16/17 starts it was all Hartley he was terrible, so we get a worse coach and have some tempered expectation. Make the playoffs off the back of a mid-season 10 game win streak. Swept in round 1.

17/18 Treliving once again goes all in with a horrible trade for Hamonic, nowe have great depth on D we should contend for the division. Nope miss the playoffs another inconsistent season, out 12th pick goes to the Islanders.

18/19 New coach, some new players we are hoping will pop and James Neal. Some expectations we can compete for a playoff spot, turn around and finish 2nd overall in the NHL. Get popped in the playoffs by Colorado.

19/20 we made system changes; we will be able to play with the Avs now. Start 12-12 and our coach has skeletons come out and is let go. Team battling for the last wild card spot until covid hits.

That 56 game joke season I have no idea what it was, but a coach was fired in came Sutter some hope he can push them in but we miss the playoffs.

21/22 Sutter is the coach, back to normal season but the team has zero expectations with stars that have been declining for years now and being moved into complimentary roles. Everyone has career years, win the division look like a solid bet to contend for the cup and get thumped in round 2.

22/23 Lots of change, but we probably have bettet depth now with a true #2C a 115pt winger. Weegar is here to solidify the defence. Flames should be contending for division. Nope struggle all year with inconsistensy and a coach gone wild.

23/24 We have no clue what is going to happen, a bunch of sulking players cues a rebuild.

24/25 expect to compete for a top 5 pick, currently we may pick 20-25th lol.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Made some corrections.

If you believe you can achieve. Speak it into the universe.

You both missed Makar on D.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

You both missed Makar on D.

Who will he replace?

I want him to be player/coach.

[OILFAN #81]

Sharks source told me up to 7 teams are in on Mario Ferraro. At the deadline last year both Alberta teams among others had inquired about him. There was a late 2nd/early 3rd on the table last year at the deadline by 1 team. Sharks didn't trade him. Teams are calling and Sharks are listening on offers.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

They really aren't. They are pretty mediocre to bad.

If Huberdeau is just mediocre you're never going to be happy. Maybe some credit where credit is due?

He's 1.88 Points/60 five on five which is good for #1 on this team and 118th overall (forward 3.6 on the average team), while playing for the club that has scored the third least goals/minute five on five in the league.

That's not $10.5M but it's not mediocre.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm not blaming Conroy, this team shouldn't be as good as its record.

It's just classic Flames that Huberdeau is complete dog crap when we are trying to contend, and now that we need him to be bad he is suddenly good. Anderrson suddenly becomes good again after a down year. Kadri having a good year when he isn't in the long term plans.

Even Vladar was having a great first half of the year when he is not a good goalie at all.

Wolf has been a nice surprise, I can't fault him.

Overall, it is just classic Flames that we seem to be right in the mushy middle again this year. Never bad enough for a top pick.

I'm not even sure it's that those guys are having good seasons. It's that they are playing a very disciplined game as a team and are getting somewhat rewarded for it.

In terms of outcomes it's very 14-15 season for sure, but that team did it in a very different style in terms of playing more open and free flowing hockey.

This year after 39 games: 18-14-7 - .551

14-15 after 41 games: 21-17-3 - .549

They traded Glencross and Baertschi that season, and Gio got hurt with 21 games left - and they still ended the season with 97 points and in the playoffs.

That season:

Final 41 games: 24-13-4; 0.634
Final 21 games (after Gio got hurt): 12-6-3; 0.643

That's the problem with this stuff - no way to predict an unexpected season. I remember pretty much everyone thinking that team was in trouble that season first when they traded Glencross, and then when Gio got hurt in the middle of what was a Norris candidate season, and then they rattled off their best stretch of the season.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Groot

Id say the mandate from the coaches up is play to win. Don't instill a losing culture. Obviosuly win enough = playoffs. What do you expect him to say? "We want you guys to go out and give it your all every night, but try and lose cause we want to pick top 3 in the draft Go get 'em guys"

Worked for the Penguins

[Royle9]

I think we should put out a witch hunt on Wolf for being too damn good this early, he's single handedly putting us in a playoff spot.

Damn you Dustin!!

[sureLoss]

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