2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Organizations that are perennially/mediocre/bad are that way because of ownership as lack of success over decades always starts at the very top. As Flames fans we are always going to be hopeful of better days ahead but I've already accepted that Flames will never win another Stanley Cup as long as Edwards owns the team.

They would need to win the lottery some day based on bad odds and get a generational type player to have a chance. Or get exceptionally lucky getting some premium players with later draft picks.

Because they'll make sure they are always "competitive" enough to fall in the middle.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Because they'll make sure they are always "competitive" enough to fall in the middle.

That was definitely the plan this year...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

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Because they'll make sure they are always "competitive" enough to fall in the middle.

Holy crap man...you dont seriously believe that the "plan" this year was to be competitive....do you?

I mean....how many guys traded?

No serious long-term UFA signings.

Completely untested G's.

Just....no one can believe this season was meant to be anything but a low finish.

[Roof-Daddy]

Conroy spent to the cap floor, started the season without a true #1C, only two proven top 4 NHL dmen and no proven NHL goalies.


Clearly he's trying to sewer the rebuild with such shenanigans.

[VilleN]

I assume if Edward's mandate is to remain competitive, never do a full rebuild, etc. It is because this makes economic sense to him - basically, a mediocre- to above average team is the sweet spot in terms of revenue. The confusion for me is that they spend to the cap, they spend on coaches, yet they could ice a similar quality of team without spending to the cap. Or does Edwards think he knows how to build a winning team, but it just hasn't panned out yet?

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Holy crap man...you dont seriously believe that the "plan" this year was to be competitive....do you?

I mean....how many guys traded?

No serious long-term UFA signings.

Completely untested G's.

Just....no one can believe this season was meant to be anything but a low finish.

Quite a few posters on here thought this team wasn't going to be bad enough to draft bottom 10 before the season started. I remember having this debate here.

Maybe you thought before the season that we were tanking. That doesn't mean Conroy's plan was for us to tank. Yes we traded vets. But we only traded some vets on expiring contracts, and the ones we still have are too good for us to outtank the Chicagos and San Joses, and they weren't traded.

I think we're outperforming some expectations, sure. But nothing conroy has done or tried to do suggest he wasn't trying to be competitive. He just didn't mortgage the future to do so.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Quite a few posters on here thought this team wasn't going to be bad enough to draft bottom 10 before the season started. I remember having this debate here.

Maybe you thought before the season that we were tanking. That doesn't mean Conroy's plan was for us to tank. Yes we traded vets. But we only traded some vets on expiring contracts, and the ones we still have are too good for us to outtank the Chicagos and San Joses, and they weren't traded.

I think we're outperforming some expectations, sure. But nothing conroy has done or tried to do suggest he wasn't trying to be competitive. He just didn't mortgage the future to do so.

I disagree with this post. Conroy certainly could have done a lot more to make this team competitive other than trading their number 1 goalie and one of the MVP’s of last season for a young player and pick or moving out one of their more proven goal scorers for a pick. Signing Mantha, Bean, and Barrie without even approaching the big fish UFA’s. SJ and Chi did more to bolster their rosters this past summer than Calgary did. I would argue no other team in the bottom 10 last year did less to improve this summer than Calgary.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I assume if Edward's mandate is to remain competitive, never do a full rebuild, etc. It is because this makes economic sense to him - basically, a mediocre- to above average team is the sweet spot in terms of revenue. The confusion for me is that they spend to the cap, they spend on coaches, yet they could ice a similar quality of team without spending to the cap. Or does Edwards think he knows how to build a winning team, but it just hasn't panned out yet?

I think it is less the revenue thing and more he thinks he can build a winner differently or is impatient. If it was really about the money then the Flames would consistently be under the cap and wouldn't pay multiple coaches etc.

[dammage79]

Maloney in EP.1 of the chase said their MO was to make the playoffs. Toss his comment away as motivational speech if you want, but it's pretty evident they're not tanking. They may be pulling their punches a bit on roster composition but the mandate from the coaches on up is playoffs.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Quite a few posters on here thought this team wasn't going to be bad enough to draft bottom 10 before the season started. I remember having this debate here.

Maybe you thought before the season that we were tanking. That doesn't mean Conroy's plan was for us to tank. Yes we traded vets. But we only traded some vets on expiring contracts, and the ones we still have are too good for us to outtank the Chicagos and San Joses, and they weren't traded.

I think we're outperforming some expectations, sure. But nothing conroy has done or tried to do suggest he wasn't trying to be competitive. He just didn't mortgage the future to do so.

Anyone who doesn't believe this a rebuild will never believe the Flames will rebuild. The only player they kept that is easily moveable was Andersson. There is zero chance the Flames would run with a Wolf/Vladar tandem and have 20 million in cap space if they wanted to actually be competitive. Wolf could have easily flopped this year and the defense is palying better than I expected.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Quite a few posters on here thought this team wasn't going to be bad enough to draft bottom 10 before the season started. I remember having this debate here.

Maybe you thought before the season that we were tanking. That doesn't mean Conroy's plan was for us to tank. Yes we traded vets. But we only traded some vets on expiring contracts, and the ones we still have are too good for us to outtank the Chicagos and San Joses, and they weren't traded.

I think we're outperforming some expectations, sure. But nothing conroy has done or tried to do suggest he wasn't trying to be competitive. He just didn't mortgage the future to do so.

I wouldn't use the word tank.

But didn't try to be competitive is clear as day.

"some expectations"? ... don't think you could find a prediction that would have the Flames near the playoffs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Conroy really must be the conman has people call him if he sold this roster to Edwards as competing for the playoffs.

Which Vets did people want traded that we could? Kadri? Huberdeau? Coleman? Backlund?

Only one was Andersson.

The signings of Jake Bean, Anthony Mantha and Ryan Lomberg tho.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Maloney in EP.1 of the chase said their MO was to make the playoffs. Toss his comment away as motivational speech if you want, but it's pretty evident they're not tanking. They may be pulling their punches a bit on roster composition but the mandate from the coaches on up is playoffs.

Id say the mandate from the coaches up is play to win. Don't instill a losing culture. Obviosuly win enough = playoffs. What do you expect him to say? "We want you guys to go out and give it your all every night, but try and lose cause we want to pick top 3 in the draft Go get 'em guys"

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Maloney in EP.1 of the chase said their MO was to make the playoffs. Toss his comment away as motivational speech if you want, but it's pretty evident they're not tanking. They may be pulling their punches a bit on roster composition but the mandate from the coaches on up is playoffs.

Pay more attention to what they do than what they say.

The guy isn't going to come out and say "we are hoping we suck a$$ and finish in the bottom 5" but then they ice a cap floor team with no number one center, two top four dmen and two unproven goalies.

There is always wild cards though, especially when it comes to young players.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Groot

What do you expect him to say? "We want you guys to go out and give it your all every night, but try and lose cause we want to pick top 3 in the draft Go get 'em guys"

There definitely seems to be a few posters on here who think he should be saying exactly that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1876023721766604939

Here is a player answering some questions on why they don't just give up. You can ice the worst roster ever, the player don't give a #### about a draft pick.

Pats had the #1 pick, now the pick #4. The players cared abut winning.

He received death threats after this as well on SM. I hope people can be better than that.

Here is another player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1876021266022641737

https://twitter.com/user/status/1876017365642891419

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I disagree with this post. Conroy certainly could have done a lot more to make this team competitive other than trading their number 1 goalie and one of the MVP’s of last season for a young player and pick or moving out one of their more proven goal scorers for a pick. Signing Mantha, Bean, and Barrie without even approaching the big fish UFA’s. SJ and Chi did more to bolster their rosters this past summer than Calgary did. I would argue no other team in the bottom 10 last year did less to improve this summer than Calgary.

I do wonder how long the Flames will be patient though. I could see them viewing last year as a sell off, this year they were quite idle. In a year or two is ownership saying hey it's time to start ramping things up? Until they have a solid core I think they need to be patient but I'm skeptical ownership will be okay with that approach long term. Especially if the team isn't drafting high. I really struggle to see where the franchise players are going to come from if they aren't finishing bottom 5 for a few seasons.

[Shazam]

Edwards doesn't give two ####s one way or another.

On a RACI chart, he's the "I"

[Toast_Man]

Having Vladar and Wolf starting 50/50 says stealth tanking to me.