Geez someone pissed in your cheerios this morning? Did that post deserve such a trashy reply?
You are totally right. It will likely get far worse for the Liberal / NDP based on current trajectories.
What are your expectations here exactly? That Canadians will read hundreds of CP posts from yourself and the likes about Poilievre being bad and 'not serious', and suddenly get an epiphany and forget everything that occured under the governing party? I want to hear your train of thought on what you think will change in Canadian mindsets and why you think they would change on a dime today. Have your own thoughts changed in the past month?
Frankly, sounds like you are just unhappy Canadians are largely not siding with your political views and voting intent right now.
you are the delusional one if you think it will get worse for the Liberals than it is. Nothing is changing on a dime, there is plenty of time for PP to show Canadians who he is, and the gag reflex will take care of the rest.
Look at it from the Trump side, why would you give an inch when the person you're negotiating with has absolutely no leverage other than counter tariffs?
If it comes down to a battle of who can survive a tariff war Canada is going to lose badly.
Trump team "We want you to increase NATO spending by 20 billion dollars"
Team Canada "We'll commit to do that if we win the next election but can't promise anything right now since we can't pass any laws or spend money"
Trump team "We want you to double all border monitoring"
Team Canada "We'll commit to do that if we win the next election but can't promise anything right now since we can't pass any laws or spend money"
Trump team "What can you do?"
Team Canada "We'll get back to you in June"
If that’s the position why would Trump implement any destructive Tarrifs when he has no one to negotiate with. The stick has no purpose if you can’t use it to coerce.
What’s the difference here between what could have been say a Feb 28th election and a May 15th election?
Last time Trump came into office, he came in with the intention of scrapping NAFTA. That required a year and a half of negotiations and tariff tradeoffs.
What makes you think 6 months is suddenly a death knell for any negotiation?
The last time his threat was to abolish NAFTA, but he didn't tariff Canada while the negotiations were taking place. This time he's tariffing Canada up front, so the big difference is likely at least 6 months at best of actually paying steep tariffs while negotiating which is a deep price for the whole country on dinner table issues to pay for the sake of a protracted Liberal Leadership race.
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This prorogue should be the most non partisan act any politician as ever made. All Canadians should be angry regardless of who you vote for. It's not the move itself, it's the timing. No government would waste time having serious talks with Canada. And, Trump, will completely ignore us until we have our #### sorted and he will take advantage of that.
In the American politics thread, you have folks worried about what Trump will do. And, in this one, the same folks think having a lame duck government during his first 100 days won't be a concern.
I don't know what is going to happen. I just know we won't be in a strong position to do anything about anything that does happen. That's concerning.
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If that’s the position why would Trump implement any destructive Tarrifs when he has no one to negotiate with. The stick has no purpose if you can’t use it to coerce.
What’s the difference here between what could have been say a Feb 28th election and a May 15th election?
The word 'destructive' is very asymmetrically applied in this situation. It will have a much smaller impact on the US broadly. Letting up on Canada to wait for a mandated government could undermine Trump's current and future threats to other countries as well. Without a meaningful price to pay, I see no reason why he won't implement tariffs on Canada right out of the gate.
The word 'destructive' is very asymmetrically applied in this situation. It will have a much smaller impact on the US broadly. Letting up on Canada to wait for a mandated government could undermine Trump's current and future threats to other countries as well. Without a meaningful price to pay, I see no reason why he won't implement tariffs on Canada right out of the gate.
so you think whoever they nominated would be worse than one of the worst prime ministers in Canadian history?? lol
I'm cynical by nature and not suspect to speculation.
My vote is for sale so I need to be sold. Poilievre isnt particularly convincing for a variety of reasons, Trudeau was a non-starter and Singh seems irrelevant.
That being said, as indicated, my vote is for sale so someone is going to have to work to buy it. They've got some time though.
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The last time his threat was to abolish NAFTA, but he didn't tariff Canada while the negotiations were taking place. This time he's tariffing Canada up front, so the big difference is likely at least 6 months at best of actually paying steep tariffs while negotiating which is a deep price for the whole country on dinner table issues to pay for the sake of a protracted Liberal Leadership race.
Negotiations began in summer 2017, Trump imposed tariffs in April 2018, and the agreement was signed November 30, 2018. It then went through Parliament and was put into effect in July 2020.
7 months from when he imposed tariffs to when the agreement was signed, including 5 months of negotiations.
Last time Trump came into office, he came in with the intention of scrapping NAFTA. That required a year and a half of negotiations and tariff tradeoffs.
What makes you think 6 months is suddenly a death knell for any negotiation?
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The last time his threat was to abolish NAFTA, but he didn't tariff Canada while the negotiations were taking place. This time he's tariffing Canada up front, so the big difference is likely at least 6 months at best of actually paying steep tariffs while negotiating which is a deep price for the whole country on dinner table issues to pay for the sake of a protracted Liberal Leadership race.
CBC At Issue panel about how Trudeau is leaving Canada hanging out to dry for the benefit of the liberal party.
I've watched Prime Minsters resign late in the game before but in this particular case and in these circumstances, Justin Trudeau is leaving his party and his caucus for sure but also the country in a bad place. And I'm not saying this because of liberal policies, I'm saying that because on January 20th Donald Trump is going to become President. And we will be in the middle of turmoil, Parliament not sitting, in a leadership campaign which is the worst possible time.
What was the other option Andrew . . . the other option was that he could have left sooner. Let's leave that to one side, let's say he was justified hanging on this long (lol). He did not have to prorogue Parliament for 3 months. The party does not need to have a 2-3 month long leadership race. He does not have to stay on , but he did all these things all at the same time. So for 3 months, we won't have a functioning Parliament, it will be shut down. From this day forward, we won't have an effective Prime Minster. We are not going to have a legitimate government, everybody will know they are under the gun of a confidence vote. So we have a government essentially hiding from Parliament. You're going to have Ministers of the Crown rather than attending business of the country, will be running around the country slagging each other off trying to destroy each other when they should be fighting Donald Trump.
CBC At Issue panel about how Trudeau is leaving Canada hanging out to dry for the benefit of the liberal party.
I've watched Prime Minsters resign late in the game before but in this particular case and in these circumstances, Justin Trudeau is leaving his party and his caucus for sure but also the country in a bad place. And I'm not saying this because of liberal policies, I'm saying that because on January 20th Donald Trump is going to become President. And we will be in the middle of turmoil, Parliament not sitting, in a leadership campaign which is the worst possible time.
What was the other option Andrew . . . the other option was that he could have left sooner. Let's leave that to one side, let's say he was justified hanging on this long (lol). He did not have to prorogue Parliament for 3 months. The party does not need to have a 2-3 month long leadership race. He does not have to stay on , but he did all these things all at the same time. So for 3 months, we won't have a functioning Parliament, it will be shut down. From this day forward, we won't have an effective Prime Minster. We are not going to have a legitimate government, everybody will know they are under the gun of a confidence vote. So we have a government essentially hiding from Parliament. You're going to have Ministers of the Crown rather than attending business of the country, will be running around the country slagging each other off trying to destroy each other when they should be fighting Donald Trump.
Its funny...we rag on Donald Trump for his 'Cult of Personality' and yet...
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In the American politics thread, you have folks worried about what Trump will do. And, in this one, the same folks think having a lame duck government during his first 100 days won't be a concern.
I think this says more about the people making incongruent comments between the two threads than the actual reality:
They don't want a conservative majority government in Canada and the cognitive dissonance required between the takes in the two different threads is to downplay the price that has to be paid by Canada upfront here on the Trump/US file thanks to the timing of Trudeau's resignation through prorogation to give a non-conservative alternative a punchers chance at forming a reasonable opposition to the CPC in the next election. They just don't want to admit the steepness of that price because that in itself is a valid argument to punish the Liberals when it's finally election time.
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you are the delusional one if you think it will get worse for the Liberals than it is. Nothing is changing on a dime, there is plenty of time for PP to show Canadians who he is, and the gag reflex will take care of the rest.
Ah yes... the proverbial 'just wait till you listen to him' rhetoric
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That doesn't translate well for seat count. And this is before most of the country starts paying attention to him.
This was a year and a half ago. CPC was polling at around 38% at the time ahead 10 points and now they are at 45-47% ahead 25 points after hearing him a lot and hundreds of posts later about how bad Poilievre will be.
This has nothing to do with Poilievre, everything to do with Liberal / NDP government mismanagement and Canadians extremely unhappy with the status quo. Once you realize why that is, you may understand.
You say it won't change on a dime, but elections are at worst 9 months away. Not sure what you are expecting or hoping for.
