2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Monahammer]

1. Murray edwards continues to meddle in the team, and Conroy is powerless to do different/ potentially doesn't want to.
2. the flames put a very disproportionate weight league wide on the feelings of their players and some esoteric notion of honor or competitiveness
3. other gms know these things and consistently take advantage of the flames because of them, resulting the flames getting less for their assets than other teams.

These three points are all confirmed by the article.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know why people are reacting to so strongly.
- Could they have gotten more for Hanifin in the summer? Sure. That's not news. But the organization was always going to give that group one more chance. They needed a bad start to show that a different approach was required. I also scoff though at the "I know we offered more"? Absent knowing what the offer was it's just a throwaway because how each values players is different.
- Are we surprised that if a candidate told ownership they were going to have to burn it to the ground, that they didn't get the job?
- Character issues? Meh. If the Flames want to take advantage of teams that put way too much weight into the interviews then so be it. I think there are some very rare cases where there are legit attitude issues that could impact a players' ability to succeed. But for the most part, I want the Flames to value skill over everything else.

Neat article but i don't see what is surprising or vindicating about anything.

Strongly agree on the bolded.

That general attitude would be consistent with the trade proposals that I read on here. NHL GMs are going to be relatively more realistic, but no doubt their inclination is also to overvalue their own players. It's just human nature.

Remember NJ GM upset because Connie didn't view their earlier offers to be as awesome as they supposedly were.

[Bonded]

Yeah, that article was nice fluff to read but it didn't really provide much new. They were always going to give the team another shot when Huberdeau was just starting his contract.

Someone saying their offer was better reminds me of Tre whining his offer for Tanev was better but who knows if the Flames liked the prospect offered.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. Murray edwards continues to meddle in the team, and Conroy is powerless to do different/ potentially doesn't want to.
2. the flames put a very disproportionate weight league wide on the feelings of their players and some esoteric notion of honor or competitiveness
3. other gms know these things and consistently take advantage of the flames because of them, resulting the flames getting less for their assets than other teams.

These three points are all confirmed by the article.

I have no idea how you came to any of those conclusions.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. Murray edwards continues to meddle in the team, and Conroy is powerless to do different/ potentially doesn't want to.
2. the flames put a very disproportionate weight league wide on the feelings of their players and some esoteric notion of honor or competitiveness
3. other gms know these things and consistently take advantage of the flames because of them, resulting the flames getting less for their assets than other teams.

These three points are all confirmed by the article.

The article doesn't confirm any of those things

[Royle9]

There wasn't a hockey analyst out there who said Calgary picked a terrible character guy at 9... this is very weird.

This sounds like a GM angry that the Flames got Parekh or simply trying to stir up crap.
Again, confidence can easily be seen as arrogance and bad character at a young age, especially when all your colleagues speak agent talk and not so openly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yes, yes, acumen enough to post their own resume on a public forum for any jabroni to take a knock at...

OH WAIT!

Well, it seems to me that they could be comments from guys who we openly scoff at. Or guys who are well regarded. I'd not feel vindicated unless I knew it was a GM who had success.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Royle9

There wasn't a hockey analyst out there who said Calgary picked a terrible character guy at 9... this is very weird.

This sounds like a GM angry that the Flames got Parekh or simply trying to stir up crap.
Again, confidence can easily be seen as arrogance and bad character at a young age, especially when all your colleagues speak agent talk and not so openly.

That's just it. It's only perceived Character issues. And perception is different for everybody.

Parekh was the easy choice to guess for me because you said what I was thinking better.

Curious to know about all this Misa character stuff though, never got that vibe from him in any interview.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Royle9

There wasn't a hockey analyst out there who said Calgary picked a terrible character guy at 9... this is very weird.

This sounds like a GM angry that the Flames got Parekh or simply trying to stir up crap.
Again, confidence can easily be seen as arrogance and bad character at a young age, especially when all your colleagues speak agent talk and not so openly.

Yeah this is some serious retro-fitting of a label.

99% of the character talk around Parekh at the draft was how he finished high school early and that strong character was a reflection of his family and upbringing.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Holy hell do I ever feel vindicated reading this article. I have been saying these things and getting #### on for a year.

Particularly the Hanifin comment is interesting, I am positive that's not the only time we held on too long to get the best return.

MAKE THE HARD DECISION AND SELL NOW CONNY!

Maybe he held on to Hanifan for too long, but if you're taking into account the GM said well we offered more in the summer. Without him saying what he offered is pretty moot point. Lots of teams overvalue their own prospects/players. So without KNOWING what was actually offered you have to take that comment on his word. Since you don't know who the GM is that said it or what he offered, it is just a comment.

Maybe he was on Hannifans no trade list, and he wouldn't wave, we don't even know if hte trade was possible for Conroy to pull off.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. Murray edwards continues to meddle in the team, and Conroy is powerless to do different/ potentially doesn't want to.
2. the flames put a very disproportionate weight league wide on the feelings of their players and some esoteric notion of honor or competitiveness
3. other gms know these things and consistently take advantage of the flames because of them, resulting the flames getting less for their assets than other teams.

These three points are all confirmed by the article.

PLUS

4. Aliens built the pyramids.
5. We didn't land on the moon.
6. Elvis lives.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. Murray edwards continues to meddle in the team, and Conroy is powerless to do different/ potentially doesn't want to.
2. the flames put a very disproportionate weight league wide on the feelings of their players and some esoteric notion of honor or competitiveness
3. other gms know these things and consistently take advantage of the flames because of them, resulting the flames getting less for their assets than other teams.

These three points are all confirmed by the article.

Point 2 yes, sure. Points 1 and 3 are greatly extrapolated

[Paulie Walnuts]

Tkachuk/Mangiapane plus Zary and a 1st was a better package for Eichel. Buffalo missed out.

We can all play our offer was better game.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. Murray edwards continues to meddle in the team, and Conroy is powerless to do different/ potentially doesn't want to.
2. the flames put a very disproportionate weight league wide on the feelings of their players and some esoteric notion of honor or competitiveness
3. other gms know these things and consistently take advantage of the flames because of them, resulting the flames getting less for their assets than other teams.

These three points are all confirmed by the article.

I don't think confirmed is the right word.

Commented on.

Hinted at.

An opinion towards something but far from confirmed.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. Murray edwards continues to meddle in the team, and Conroy is powerless to do different/ potentially doesn't want to.
2. the flames put a very disproportionate weight league wide on the feelings of their players and some esoteric notion of honor or competitiveness
3. other gms know these things and consistently take advantage of the flames because of them, resulting the flames getting less for their assets than other teams.

These three points are all confirmed by the article.

1. The Markstrom trade and 20 million of cap space disagrees with you
2. That one could be true but the Flames have trouble drawing UFAs and players with NTCs so maybe player loyalty works in their favour. The Flames can't flip players like Vegas and expect players to continue to line up to come here.

3. Can you provide any proof of this? I think you are expecting too much as a fan

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I have no idea how you came to any of those conclusions.

Confirmation bias

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Point 2 yes, sure. Points 1 and 3 are greatly extrapolated

And I'd argue the Flames are in a group of about 8 teams that likely feel they need to do more kiss ass with their players than the 8 teams that are desired locations.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The article doesn't confirm any of those things

The article confirms whatever you want it to confirm.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The article confirms whatever you want it to confirm.

‘Still, a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest.’ —Simon & Garfunkel

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Point 2 yes, sure. Points 1 and 3 are greatly extrapolated

The problem with point 2 is the phrase "very disproportionate weight", followed by "other GMs know these things and consistently take advantage"

Are the Flames on the positive side of the be-respectful-to-players spectrum? Definitely. Are other GMs consistently taking advantage? LOL