2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Which 2024 picks are thought to have issues? I haven't heard anything about the guys the Flames picked. Maybe Gridin?

Possibly Parekh just for his style of of play. Been criticism at times he's a little lackadaisical defensively.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Came across an interesting article about NHL Execs evaluating Conroy:

The last one, flames have always been loyal to the point where it hurts themselves , I don't see that loyalty waning anytime soon especially so close after we just had a mass exodus of talent leave who didn't want to stay.

They're on the wrong side of that loyalty IMO, but it's also what keeps players coming in as well.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Came across an interesting article about NHL Execs evaluating Conroy:

Cool article. With Parekh's confidence, I wonder if he didn't raise some red flags on the character front. Easy for youthful confidence to come off as blind arrogance.

Some more standouts:

Exec Two: “I think he’s done a good job for the most part. He could have got some better returns for some of the guys they dealt if they traded them in the summer as opposed to deadline. Hanifin in particular. I know we offered more for him in the summer than they got at the deadline. I think he’s given the players a little too much power in the decision-making. From an outside view, it sounds like they make a lot of the decisions. You have teams like Tampa or Vegas. Cup-winning teams. They can be harsh to their players in the name of winning. I’d put Calgary on the other end. Not a way I’d run an organization to win. It’s tough sledding for a first-time GM. He’s had a good start to building out their future blue line.”

Grumble.

Exec One: “There was a lot of noise around Calgary last year. Seemed like we were hearing a new thing every week. I can understand wanting to keep things quiet. And props to them. It’s been real quiet. You always want to win games. We anticipated Calgary to keep trading away guys, but their upcoming free agents haven’t done much. We are certainly watching some of the guys who have a few years left there to see what the players decide to do with their future.”

That's a nice way to put it.

Exec Two: “I’ve been really impressed with some of their young guys. I think that entire organization has benefitted from a quieter season so far. I think other teams have downplayed them. That’s my one observation every time I watch them play. Other teams already look focused on the next one. But Calgary works hard. I don’t know where they go from here, though. Our internal models aren’t high on them. Lots of veterans on long-term deals. Still missing a couple top of the lineup guys. They have a lot of similarities to the Blues, and they are modelled pretty similarly.”

I think that's a fair assessment, and it's why the Flames need to sell on Andersson. They need to build themselves beyond what the Blues have done. The Blues look to be what happens when all you do is build through the middle/later parts of the 1st round.

Exec One: “I’m glad I’m not in his shoes. His young guys are performing well. Some of his vets are playing well. They don’t score a lot. They don’t have a top lineup guy or two to build around. They’ve shown that they aren’t a bad team, but they aren’t a good one either. Seems like they are always like that, haha!

Life as a Flames fan.

If I were in his shoes, I’d probably look to deal some of their older guys and go from there. Last year was a good start. We’ve heard some chatter around them adding young centres, but no one gives the good ones up. And it seems like everyone is looking for centres on the market this year. I know when they interviewed GMs, I heard most of the candidates said they would completely gut and build that team up again. Those guys didn’t get the job, obviously.”

More evidence that ownership/sr. management don't want a full rebuild. Time will tell...

Exec Two was not kind to the returns on Tanev and Hanifin - and I think that's a good assessment - but likely misses the fact that Noah's agent got pretty involved and messed with Conroy's ability to maximize return:

Don’t know if there’s been any big misses either, but the Hanifin and Tanev trades don’t look great. Our models thought they should get a higher return for both, especially with retention.”

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Possibly Parekh just for his style of of play. Been criticism at times he's a little lackadaisical defensively.

They said character issues.

Weird comment or maybe jelly because we got the players they wanted.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The last one, flames have always been loyal to the point where it hurts themselves , I don't see that loyalty waning anytime soon especially so close after we just had a mass exodus of talent leave who didn't want to stay.

They're on the wrong side of that loyalty IMO, but it's also what keeps players coming in as well.

Yeah one of the execs said something very similar. I just didn't want to quote the whole article.

. I think he’s given the players a little too much power in the decision-making. From an outside view, it sounds like they make a lot of the decisions. You have teams like Tampa or Vegas. Cup-winning teams. They can be harsh to their players in the name of winning. I’d put Calgary on the other end. Not a way I’d run an organization to win.

[3thirty]

Could be things that the general public doesn't know about. I'm sure these prospects are examined like they are running for office.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Came across an interesting article about NHL Execs evaluating Conroy:

After reading that article I feel the same way I did when I read Sutter didn't have a computer on his desk at the cusp of the analytics era.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Came across an interesting article about NHL Execs evaluating Conroy:

Holy hell do I ever feel vindicated reading this article. I have been saying these things and getting #### on for a year.

Particularly the Hanifin comment is interesting, I am positive that's not the only time we held on too long to get the best return.

MAKE THE HARD DECISION AND SELL NOW CONNY!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Cool article. With Parekh's confidence, I wonder if he didn't raise some red flags on the character front. Easy for youthful confidence to come off as blind arrogance.

Some more standouts:



Grumble.



That's a nice way to put it.



I think that's a fair assessment, and it's why the Flames need to sell on Andersson. They need to build themselves beyond what the Blues have done. The Blues look to be what happens when all you do is build through the middle/later parts of the 1st round.

Exec One: “I’m glad I’m not in his shoes. His young guys are performing well. Some of his vets are playing well. They don’t score a lot. They don’t have a top lineup guy or two to build around. They’ve shown that they aren’t a bad team, but they aren’t a good one either. Seems like they are always like that, haha!



More evidence that ownership/sr. management don't want a full rebuild. Time will tell...

Exec Two was not kind to the returns on Tanev and Hanifin - and I think that's a good assessment - but likely misses the fact that Noah's agent got pretty involved and messed with Conroy's ability to maximize return:

Trading Andersson also kills the perception that the players run the organization.

We need to make the decision for him that we are moving on, you are our best trade chip, and we are cashing in.

[Ashasx]

man i just hate murray edwards

[Monahammer]

The perceived attitude stuff was Misa by the way. Misa and Parekh but mostly Misa.

[saillias]

well **** now i'm worried Conroy is a puppet for Edwards.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by saillias

well **** now i'm worried Conroy is a puppet for Edwards.

Wouldn't say puppet but he sold a plan that wasn't burn into the ground and rebuild. Which obviously the Owners preferred. Probably sold them on having the team be competitive by the time the 27 season kicks off and the inaugural season in the new barn.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by saillias

well **** now i'm worried Conroy is a puppet for Edwards.

I wouldn't say 'puppet', but he's definitely a company man. This was clear as day as he tried like hell to keep this team together over the last 18 months, and the players rejected his advances (as that article points out - thank goodness Lindholm turned him down).

Hopefully as the teams around the league turn up the temperature down the stretch leading into the playoffs, the Flames fall off completely and get us our greatly needed bottom-10 finish. Roger McQueen seems to be falling closer to the 7-10 mark, and the wildcard Ivan Ryabkin looks like he'll be available there as well (outside chance he keeps sliding into the later parts of the 1st as well...)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Holy hell do I ever feel vindicated reading this article. I have been saying these things and getting #### on for a year.

Particularly the Hanifin comment is interesting, I am positive that's not the only time we held on too long to get the best return.

MAKE THE HARD DECISION AND SELL NOW CONNY!

LOL, I'm assuming all these execs have won a cup with their obvious acumen.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't know why people are reacting to so strongly.
- Could they have gotten more for Hanifin in the summer? Sure. That's not news. But the organization was always going to give that group one more chance. They needed a bad start to show that a different approach was required. I also scoff though at the "I know we offered more"? Absent knowing what the offer was it's just a throwaway because how each team values players is different.
- Are we surprised that if a candidate told ownership they were going to have to burn it to the ground, that they didn't get the job?
- Character issues? Meh. If the Flames want to take advantage of teams that put way too much weight into the interviews then so be it. I think there are some very rare cases where there are legit attitude issues that could impact a players' ability to succeed. But for the most part, I want the Flames to value skill over everything else.

Neat article but i don't see what is surprising or vindicating about anything.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I am not ready to turn on Conroy. They wanted to sign Hanifin, and he backed out last second. So yeah of course they turned down the offer.

They had a number for Lindholm and didn't negotiate. He got rid of Toffoli right away.

He is doing things different. It would be better if we ripped it down to the studs, and we still can.

If we start moving picks and stuff for now players, we can revisit this conversation. But I am not going to dump on the guy based off what a scout and assistant gm have to say.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Holy hell do I ever feel vindicated reading this article. I have been saying these things and getting #### on for a year.

Saying what things?
That the Flames should have sold these players earlier? Sure. Most of us felt the same. But that ignores the element of needing ownership buy in for that.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL, I'm assuming all these execs have won a cup with their obvious acumen.

Yes, yes, acumen enough to post their own resume on a public forum for any jabroni to take a knock at...

OH WAIT!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know why people are reacting to so strongly.
- Could they have gotten more for Hanifin in the summer? Sure. That's not news. But the organization was always going to give that group one more chance. They needed a bad start to show that a different approach was required. I also scoff though at the "I know we offered more"? Absent knowing what the offer was it's just a throwaway because how each values players is different.
- Are we surprised that if a candidate told ownership they were going to have to burn it to the ground, that they didn't get the job?

Neat article but i don't see what is surprising or vindicating about anything.

- Character issues? Meh. If the Flames want to take advantage of teams that put way too much weight into the interviews then so be it. I think there are some very rare cases where there are legit attitude issues that could impact a players' ability to succeed. But for the most part, I want the Flames to value skill over everything else.
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Agreed.

There's nothing Earth shattering in the article, but it's a fun read. Citing character issues for young players, unless there's legal issues, screams "old school hockey" to me.