2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Would you do Vladar + Pelletier for Pinto?

Start the car!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Would you do Vladar + Pelletier for Pinto?

I probably would.

I struggle to see Pelletier's utility. So far, he looks to be an undersized grinder with locker room intangibles.

[MacDaddy77]

^^ Start the car. beaten by Badger

[Tbull8]

So essentially a 3rd plus Pelletier for Pinto? As much as I like Pelts I would do that deal

[dammage79]

Pinto is exactly what Conny is looking for. I suppose if Vlad and Pelts gets him his guy it's a good deal.

Think they could do better than Pinto though.

[Toonage]

Does Ottawa have some hot shot 2/3LC waiting in the minors that they can offload Pinto for a couple of wingers?

Daily Faceoff shows Pinto as 1C there. What am I missing?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Seems like Pinto is tracking to be a 3rd line C? A right shot 40 point C for Vladar is pretty good.

[Toonage]

I'd suggest it has about as much chance of happening as Tanev for Bourque did last spring like some folks here were thinking.

A goalie, a backup at that, on an expiring deal for a young C?

With 2 more years left on his deal?

[Knut]

I really do not see what adding 2/3 Center is going to do right now for us. Its important for Zary to develop as a Center right now and he needs all the reps there he can get. With Backlund and Kadri here where would a Cozens or Pinto play. Zary being able to transition to center seamlessly (other than FO %) has taken the pressure off of adding one for right now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Knut

I really do not see what adding 2/3 Center is going to do right now for us. Its important for Zary to develop as a Center right now and he needs all the reps there he can get. With Backlund and Kadri here where would a Cozens or Pinto play. Zary being able to transition to center seamlessly (other than FO %) has taken the pressure off of adding one for right now.

Because we are desperate for a center and will take anyone apparently.

Conroy said if Zary can transition to C that it would likely change how the view things.

In that interview that Inferno posted, he said things like focus on the long term, the right player, doing things the right way, being patient and the player likely coming from the draft.

If someone wants to give us a right shot 40 point C for a backup goalie sure. But I don't think Conroy is as desperate to get someone as some make it seem.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Because we are desperate for a center and will take anyone apparently.

Conroy said if Zary can transition to C that it would likely change how the view things.

In that interview that Inferno posted, he said things like focus on the long term, the right player, doing things the right way, being patient and the player likely coming from the draft.

If someone wants to give us a right shot 40 point C for a backup goalie sure. But I don't think Conroy is as desperate to get someone as some make it seem.

He wants the hardest asset in the league to trade for and would be dumb not to take a shot if they become available

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I have a hard time basing an opinion of a player based on supposed behind the scenes interactions. It's a slippery slope.

Did Tkachuk quit on the Flames in the one season when he was asked to tone it down by teammates?
Did Backlund and Gio have beef between them?
Did Iggy and Gio?
Iggy vs. Regehr?
Did Kadri quit on the team?
Were Weegar and Kadri fighting when Kadri pushed Weegar after an OTW?
Was D. Hamilton a bad fit, or was the core itself rotten?

Professional athletes are as competitive as humans come, which leads to feelings boiling over at the workplace from time to time. It can be a fun discussion occasionally, but IMO it's wishful thinking more often than not. It's done mostly in order to justify winning a trade/moving from a core piece to a fanbase.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Almost everything you listed happens behind the scenes and in the room.

Miller is doing it in the open. You don't embarrass grown men like that in front of everyone.

I would add to PW's comment that each of the things you listed was a one-off event. Guys are going to clash once in a while, which is not a problem and not unexpected.

The difference with Miller is that it is a pattern, and it sometimes gets taken too far, and, as PW said, it is being done, or getting pulled into, the public domain.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Would you do Vladar + Pelletier for Pinto?

I would but I doubt they would.

My guess is they would want something like:

Vladar (50% retained) + 2nd (COL) for Pinto

That would save them a a couple million in cap space and gives them another asset to use to try to add another piece with the cap space they created by moving Pinto. (Flip that 2nd for a d-man for example)

TBH I think that would be a pretty fair trade for both sides. Pinto is struggling a bit with 10 points in 30 games and both sides have hinted at a change of scenery.

Sens get a goalie to help them while Ullmark is injured. They also get a 2nd round pick and $2.5M of cap space that they can use to bring in an asset to help them make the playoffs (d-man).

[ForeverFlameFan]

Wouldn’t Ottawa be asking for someone like Brzustewicz? Or Mews? Just so they have a RHD with promise in the pipeline.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Wouldn’t Ottawa be asking for someone like Brzustewicz? Or Mews? Just so they have a RHD with promise in the pipeline.

Do you mean other than Yakemchuk?

[gvitaly]

Came across an interesting article about NHL Execs evaluating Conroy:

It feels like their drafting is better recently. Taking lots of what we call the point-getter class. There were a couple guys they drafted in 24 that we had character concerns with, so we will see how those turn out.

The Suniev selection looks really good from 2023. Zarubin was our top-rated goalie last year, as I recall, so that was a good selection there. We didn’t love that Mews kid, but he’s looking really good now. Looks like they’ve taken a big step on the drafting side of things. I was impressed with their 2024 lot.

I would continue trading guys out and rebuilding the roster, but that would piss off the veterans that stay. If they don’t do that, however, they aren’t going to be a good team, ever. That’s not a position I’d want to be in right now. There are a few organizations that seem to be stuck like that.

[Toonage]

That last guy knows whats up

[1qqaaz]

Which 2024 picks are thought to have issues? I haven't heard anything about the guys the Flames picked. Maybe Gridin?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who has character issues?

[dammage79]

Flames made a lot of picks last year.

I'd put Parekh on the top of the list as a person scouts wouldn't exactly love with his manner and demeanor. IMO, Parekh with his stat line should have gone top 5 in that draft, so in my.mind he fell into Calgary's lap.

After that, no idea. Rather disingenuous to immediately assume the only Russian they drafted was the character issue for other teams.

Could be a reason why the likes of Basha or Mews or Misa fell the way they did. Who knows.