Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, he didn't just resign, he prorogued parliament for 77 days.

People were already bitching about him resigning as soon as word came out, before he prorogued parliament, let’s be honest.

[shotinthebacklund]

This is also going to mark the point we see PP switch gears here. I expect he will now take a softer approach going forward. I enjoy watching political strategy as it unfolds.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

People wanted him to resign, when he does, they bitch he resigned and didn't run.

Yeah - I don't know what else is expected of him. Give time for the second biggest political party to have a leadership convention to pick a successor and then have an election. This seems like standard practice and one that makes sense. Looking at recent provincial politics, it is a lot less sketchy than Danielle Smith becoming the Premier and then not having a general election for 6 months.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, he didn't just resign, he prorogued parliament for 77 days.

What else could he do in this instance? For the proper functioning of our democracy, one of the largest parties requires a leader. I would rather it work out differently and that there be an election right away, but I don't see another practical way this could work.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Do you think the current group of MP's is going to like this? In a way any politician wants to desperately hold onto power. But they also tend to have massive ego's and can't really handle criticism constructively.

I read a piece this morning about a presentation that Carney did last year to Liberal M.P.s being not well received. It was called boring and filled with generalizations. Sentiment was that he did put some culpability on them for some of the economic woes they have and that it was not well received.

Questions about if he can be a good enough retail politician to win votes.

Honestly? I don’t think so. I think Paperbagger put a better path forward together than I did, but it is why I framed it as being “anti-Trudeau” and not “anti-Liberal.” And that’s why I said it’s hard to imagine without a total reset, as I don’t think current MPs are going to be thrilled by it.

The path to any sort of success here seems difficult. More so when you consider the fact that connecting with and inspiring Canadians right now is going to require some open acknowledgement that their negative feelings about this Liberal government are valid. Once they acknowledge that, then they can build trust and propose a better future. Without that acknowledgement.. I dunno, I think people will just assume it’s more of the same.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

This is also going to mark the point we see PP switch gears here. I expect he will now take a softer approach going forward. I enjoy watching political strategy as it unfolds.

And you believe this even after he just said in no uncertain terms he would not do that? Why would you think that? This has to be one of the dumbest political tropes to emerge in the last decade.. voters think it and politicians never do it.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Whoever it is, a new Liberal leader will stop the bleeding. So will Trump returning to the White House (the Liberal election campaign will focus on comparing the CPC to MAGA). But I think the CPC still wind up with a majority.

It’ll be an interesting campaign depending on how PP deals with MAGA. Will he continue to blindly suck up to Trump & Musk? As the gong show ramps up down south the Liberals will tie the CPC to everything MAGA that the majority of Canadians wouldn’t support.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

This is also going to mark the point we see PP switch gears here. I expect he will now take a softer approach going forward. I enjoy watching political strategy as it unfolds.

Lol did you watch his reaction video?

Canada is basically a war zone, poverty everywhere, broken, lawless land, wokeness running amok.

His schtick is really really old and it's the only one he has. Doubt he changes.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

This is also going to mark the point we see PP switch gears here. I expect he will now take a softer approach going forward. I enjoy watching political strategy as it unfolds.

I’ll be curious to see if he has a softer approach in his tool kit. He hasn’t really shown any sign of it in the last 10+ years. He’s been the attack dog for as long as he’s been relevant, and even former CPC folks have admitted he’s unlikeable.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And you believe this even after he just said in no uncertain terms he would not do that? Why would you think that? This has to be one of the dumbest political tropes to emerge in the last decade.. voters think it and politicians never do it.

We will see I guess. I am fine with him not changing tone, but, he is switching from Official opposition to Prime minister Candidate. Different job, different tone make sense.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Yeah - I don't know what else is expected of him.

Well he could have stepped down a year ago when his brand became toxic, or after any of the by-election losses in Liberal strongholds, or a couple months ago which would have allowed for a leadership race in a much better timeline. Now that he has dragged it out till the last possible moment and completely poisoned the well, and shut down government at a critical time, don't expect people to pat him on the back for doing the right thing.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The country is divided on the internet, when you go outside and touch grass, most folks get along like nothing is happening.

Indeed. The polls are pretty clear, it's not divided much at all. Folks are so obviously united that our Prime Minster had to step down under unrelenting pressure.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Honestly? I don’t think so. I think Paperbagger put a better path forward together than I did, but it is why I framed it as being “anti-Trudeau” and not “anti-Liberal.” And that’s why I said it’s hard to imagine without a total reset, as I don’t think current MPs are going to be thrilled by it.

The path to any sort of success here seems difficult. More so when you consider the fact that connecting with and inspiring Canadians right now is going to require some open acknowledgement that their negative feelings about this Liberal government are valid. Once they acknowledge that, then they can build trust and propose a better future. Without that acknowledgement.. I dunno, I think people will just assume it’s more of the same.

Yeah. Politically this is where the Federal Liberals probably could take a page from Alberta's UCP. When you throw your deeply unpopular leader under the bus the new unaffiliated leader has to run on change. The UCP seem to do that like once per election cycle...

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

We will see I guess. I am fine with him not changing tone, but, he is switching from Official opposition to Prime minister Candidate. Different job, different tone make sense.

So you think he lied to Canadians when he said that? I'm just trying to work out the cognitive dissonance here.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Yeah - I don't know what else is expected of him. Give time for the second biggest political party to have a leadership convention to pick a successor and then have an election. This seems like standard practice and one that makes sense. Looking at recent provincial politics, it is a lot less sketchy than Danielle Smith becoming the Premier and then not having a general election for 6 months.

It wouldn't be unusual for Trudeau to resign today and have a race, the winner becomes prime minster for a few months and then an election. Why does he have to prorogue government, to take the pressure off Singh?

In our lifetime, it happened when Pierre Trudeau resigned in 1984. John Turner won the leadership over Jean Chretien, was PM for 4 months then lost to Brian Mulroney. Mulroney resigned in 1993, Kim Campbell defeated Jean Charest and was PM for 5 months before losing to Chretien!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

What else could he do in this instance? For the proper functioning of our democracy, one of the largest parties requires a leader. I would rather it work out differently and that there be an election right away, but I don't see another practical way this could work.

What should he have done? He should have resigned earlier, likely last summer.

As much as people mock PP in this thread, the Conservatives still likely win a super majority against any Liberal candidate now except Carney, and even against Carney he likely still gets a majority.

Trudeau has now selfishly sacrificed his own party, has prorogued our government weeks before Trump is to take over, and many of his own cabinet ministers will now be campaigning instead of acting as parliamentarians.

What should he have done now that he didn't re-sign 6 months ago? He should have taken the hit in the election himself. You can't rebuild a party in 77 days.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So you think he lied to Canadians when he said that? I'm just trying to work out the cognitive dissonance here.

Your perception on cognitive dissidence only looks outward never inward I guess.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I agree - he should have stepped down earlier when the writing was on the wall. At the same time thought until I invent a time machine that isn't going to happen. However given the current political climate, I don't see how the CPC/PQ don't force the government into a vote of non confidence with the intention of triggering an election when there hasn't been a leadership convention.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It wouldn't be unusual for Trudeau to resign today and have a race, the winner becomes prime minster for a few months and then an election. Why does he have to prorogue government, to take the pressure off Singh?

In our lifetime, it happened when Pierre Trudeau resigned in 1984. John Turner won the leadership over Jean Chretien, was PM for 4 months then lost to Brian Mulroney. Mulroney resigned in 1993, Kim Campbell defeated Jean Charest and was PM for 5 months before losing to Chretien!

John Turner and Kim Campbell were given the chance to win leadership elections before the general election.

At this point, without proroguing, then the Liberals could face a confidence vote which send them into a general election without an elected leader. So they would be asking Canadians to vote for them, and they'll figure out the PM at a later date. It would make the current uphill battle even worse, and not really be a benefit to voters.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

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I think the plan should be show how the party is improved under new leadership and better than the JT liberals, continue down the anti PP path (trucker convoy supporter, anti vax)

I think people are over this angle and it's too much like JT.

and make strides to show that the new liberals want to focus on immigration and cost of living. That could win Canadians over.

Agree on these but they'll lose their remaining current supporters who will see racism and selling out to developers if those topics are even touched.

There's almost no path for them right now.
One path targets centralists but loses the remaining support they have on the left and the other keeps what they have but doesn't gain the middle.