Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I could see Freelund being popular with the current lot of MP's, but less so with the party membership as a whole. Like you say too much association with Trudeau who the electorate as a whole wants to move on from. She'd suffer a Kim Campbell like defeat if she ended up as Leader and lead them into the next election.

You're both right. Too much 'Justin Stank.'

Unfortunately I think we have to buckle up and prepare for Pierre. At least for a while.

And, frankly, we can all thank our Liberal Overlords for this. They just couldnt help themselves from helping themselves.

They've got to keep their heads down and wait it out until the Liberal stench has wafted away from Ottawa and try again.

I'd think that under normal circumstances a guy like Pierre doesn't get a sniff of Government. But thats how badly the Liberals sewered things.

[transplant99]

Amid mounting calls for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s resignation, the one person who may restore some (faint) hope in the flailing Liberals’ prospects is, ironically, its former finance minister.

Now, an Angus Reid Institute poll suggests Canadians see her as Trudeau’s most viable successor.

Given the choice between six potential candidates, respondents felt Freeland was most likely to improve the party’s chances of success in the next election should she become Liberal party leader, according to the poll released Friday.

The poll was conducted through an online survey from Dec. 27 to 31, covering a representative 2,406 members of Angus Reid’s online forum. A similarly conducted probability sample would have a margin of error of 1.5 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

With Trudeau at the helm, the Liberals held 13 per cent vote intention compared to the other parties, with the Conservatives at 39 per cent. But with Freeland leading, Liberal vote intention jumped to 21 per cent — still lower than the Tories’ 36 per cent, but higher than former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney and Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly at 14 and 16 per cent, respectively.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...54a587f9c.html

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

JP, under any reasonable analysis is a bad person projecting harmful views on society. It's not a matter of liking or not liking, it's a matter of believing it is ok to discriminate against people you hate. JP clearly hates the roles women have chosen for themselves and directs his followers to do the same, and blame them for their own inability to relate to them. If you personally can't see this, that's your own failure, but you don't get to openly discriminate against people and pretend it is normal. It's not. Knock it off

You are presenting an opinion as objective truth. Your problem is that people can just go watch JP and conclude for themselves based on the source.

If you think JPs is so bad, you don't even need to write your vitriol, you can simply post a video of his here and the rest will take care of itself.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Locke

You're both right. Too much 'Justin Stank.'

Unfortunately I think we have to buckle up and prepare for Pierre. At least for a while.

And, frankly, we can all thank our Liberal Overlords for this. They just couldnt help themselves from helping themselves.

They've got to keep their heads down and wait it out until the Liberal stench has wafted away from Ottawa and try again.

I'd think that under normal circumstances a guy like Pierre doesn't get a sniff of Government. But thats how badly the Liberals sewered things.

The voters had an decade to see that Trudeau is a moron. He has been all along and Canadians didn't care. The difference now is that the progressive policies, especially economic policies, have come home to roost.

This isn't an election of personality as much as you are suggesting. It's an election of policy. This isn't unique to Canada. France, Germany, the Americans, shortly the Brits, among others are all moving to noon-progressive government policies.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Unless Singh goes back on his promise to Canadians....which would hardly be a surprise.

It probably serves the interests of the NDP to give the Liberals as much time as possible to build back up a little. Unless they actually believe they can win the election themselves, their power comes from being able to push the Liberals to include their desires into the agenda. The sooner the election is held, the more likely it is a Conservative majority and the NDP goes back to irrelevance regardless of whether they have more seats than the Liberals.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The voters had an decade to see that Trudeau is a moron. He has been all along and Canadians didn't care. The difference now is that the progressive policies, especially economic policies, have come home to roost.

This isn't an election of personality as much as you are suggesting. It's an election of policy. This isn't unique to Canada. France, Germany, the Americans, shortly the Brits, among others are all moving to noon-progressive government policies.

Oh voters knew that Trudeau was a moron, just that other options were less palatable.

General #### sandwich versus Giant ###### conundrum. Say what you will about Trudeau and his magnificent Government Ways but he played his game against the weakest slate of losers one could possibly dredge from the bottom of a barrel of nuclear fecal waste.

It would be like an adult playing Chess against a baby in the park while their mom wasn't looking. Yeah he's going to win, but he probably shouldn't put it on his resume.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

You are presenting an opinion as objective truth. Your problem is that people can just go watch JP and conclude for themselves based on the source.

If you think JPs is so bad, you don't even need to write your vitriol, you can simply post a video of his here and the rest will take care of itself.

I posted a page with a collection of his actual words and tweets. It's there. You said it was all good stuff. Like, do you seriously want me to go to that link, copy the tweet images and paste his words directly here? Get it together man, you can't hide like this. It's pathetic.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It probably serves the interests of the NDP to give the Liberals as much time as possible to build back up a little. Unless they actually believe they can win the election themselves, their power comes from being able to push the Liberals to include their desires into the agenda. The sooner the election is held, the more likely it is a Conservative majority and the NDP goes back to irrelevance regardless of whether they have more seats than the Liberals.

This is really short term thinking though. The reason the NDP will go back to irrelevance is because they aren't giving Liberal voters a reason to switch to them. The NDP should make it their long term goal to replace the Liberals as the progressive option, to be the the default option for ABC voters. The Alberta NDP did it, the federal NDP almost did it under Layton until Layton died and a "celebrity" saved the Liberal brand.

To do that they need to stop being the Liberals enablers and run against them with the intention of eventually forming government and being actually able to enact their policies. Even in this Parliament, if they were going to prop up the Liberals long term they should have made a 3 year deal where they get cabinet seats then in the 4th year ran against them saying they couldn't do everything they wanted without being the dominant party in the deal. Calling the Liberals horrible and then voting to keep them in power every single vote just makes them look weak and not a serious alternative.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by transplant99

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...54a587f9c.html

Freeland seems to be getting a recency bump because of her very public "you can't fire me I quit" display, which has gotten her a bit of the limelight when she was noticeably less prominent most of the year.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/who-...inds-1.7103700



Just a couple of months ago, she was seen as just as bad as Trudeau to lead the Liberals. Internally, she may be seen as the favoured candidate, but I don't see this changing Liberal fortunes in any meaningful way considering how 'none of the above' was the best choice.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It probably serves the interests of the NDP to give the Liberals as much time as possible to build back up a little. Unless they actually believe they can win the election themselves, their power comes from being able to push the Liberals to include their desires into the agenda. The sooner the election is held, the more likely it is a Conservative majority and the NDP goes back to irrelevance regardless of whether they have more seats than the Liberals.

Im aware of what's best for the NDP.

Im just saying, Singh completely painted himself into a corner and now is in a no-win situation.

His grandstanding BS is truly coming to roost this time.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Not sure how the timeline is going to work. If they are going to have a leadership race they need 3-4 months unless they are decide to override the party constitution and appoint a leader. To get a 3-4 month cushion at this point Trudeau would need to prorogue, it's not a given that the GG will grant that request. Yes, yes I know that Harper prorogued (and some people went nuts who will probably be okay with it now) but that was early in a mandate and Parliament was in chaos. Also, the government needs to pass a supply bill to keep operating by the end of March, not sure how that is going to work?

I think allowing the parogue of parliament was reasonable under Harper and would be reasonable now. In that case giving time to work through a plan in the middle of a financial crisis rather than change government was the correct choice and now giving people real choice for where the country should go is the better option.

I suspect they get the supply bill through with some help from Singh and parliament will sit at some point to allow the liberals to elect a leader and then call an election shortly after.


I wonder if Nenshi has any regrets going NDP at this point.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GGG

I wonder if Nenshi has any regrets going NDP at this point.

Can't imagine he didn't see a Liberal leadership vacancy coming.

[Looch City]

End of an era. You'll be truly missed Justin.

Go #### yourself.

Canada, as we know it, is basically over.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

We don't need to be subjected to the idiocy that is Gerrettsen as an interim leader and during a federal election campaign.

You know I was joking right?


Mark Gerrettsen who was forced to apology to a X poster when he tried to pass off a conspiracy theory as fact is there for the memes.


Or as Warren Kinsella called him "The dumbest person in government service"

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Locke

You're both right. Too much 'Justin Stank.'

Unfortunately I think we have to buckle up and prepare for Pierre. At least for a while.

And, frankly, we can all thank our Liberal Overlords for this. They just couldnt help themselves from helping themselves.

They've got to keep their heads down and wait it out until the Liberal stench has wafted away from Ottawa and try again.

I'd think that under normal circumstances a guy like Pierre doesn't get a sniff of Government. But thats how badly the Liberals sewered things.

The Liberals were in dire straights until JT showed up with his name recognition.

Not sure who they are going to find this time around.

We talk about the Flames needing to do a full rebuild. I don’t think they will be able to hold a candle to what the Liberals are going to be forced to do.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The Liberals were in dire straights until JT showed up with his name recognition.

Not sure who they are going to find this time around.

We talk about the Flames needing to do a full rebuild. I don’t think they will be able to hold a candle to what the Liberals are going to be forced to do.

How old is Justin's oldest kid?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Looch City

End of an era. You'll be truly missed Justin.

Go #### yourself.

Canada, as we know it, is basically over.

I wouldn’t go that far. But definitely a lot of repair work coming.

Biggest cluster f I have ever seen in my 35 some odd years voting and paying attention to canadian politics. Trump and the US are probably salivating at how they are going to tear apart our rudderless ship.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I wouldn’t go that far. But definitely a lot of repair work coming.

Biggest cluster f I have ever seen in my 35 some odd years voting and paying attention to canadian politics. Trump and the US are probably salivating at how they are going to tear apart our rudderless ship.

He's being heavily facetious. Its sort of his thing.

I think its hilarious!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Freeland seems to be getting a recency bump because of her very public "you can't fire me I quit" display, which has gotten her a bit of the limelight when she was noticeably less prominent most of the year.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/who-...inds-1.7103700



Just a couple of months ago, she was seen as just as bad as Trudeau to lead the Liberals. Internally, she may be seen as the favoured candidate, but I don't see this changing Liberal fortunes in any meaningful way considering how 'none of the above' was the best choice.

I was thinking about that today, and Freeland is probably in theory the leading candidate, but she's going to be battered in a campaign, not only by internal Liberals that are want to knock her down for her act of betrayal against Trudeau, but she's given lots of ammunition to the Conservatives.



It was interesting in the latest 338 poll, the Cons in theory gained 5 seats since Dec 22, the Liberals lost those 5 seats and the NDP gained no seats.



I would have expected the NDP to profit from the demise of Trudeau, but they really haven't.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Locke

How old is Justin's oldest kid?

Please don’t go there.

I think 2 have done enough damage!

Not T3.