Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Locke

I hope he sticks around, campaigns hard and just crashes and burns.

Why? he is hot garbage but not close to being as terrible as mini no charisma Trump.

I guess DrFever is not sleeping tonight. haha

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Why? he is hot garbage but not close to being as terrible as mini no charisma Trump.

I guess DrFever is not sleeping tonight. haha

Because watching someone try hard and fail is so much more satisfying that just watching them quit and walk away.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I read it's expected by the Wednesday caucus meeting. It will be interesting to see if a guy like Carney thinks he can turn it around enough to lead the Liberals into the next election and rebuild the party. Or if they see a Kim Campbell like devastation and certain political death. The next leader doesn't need to win the election to keep the job, but they can't finish third type of thing.

I don’t think there’s too many that could turn it around in a big way, but Carney would be one of those people. If they make the wrong choice here they’re cooked, but it shouldn’t be difficult to steer themselves back into opposition territory, and then they can build from there.

All hinging on an election delayed until October, of course.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I guess that's why there's no election called yet. If you're treading towards non-party status JT can resign, the Libs can wipe their hands clean of him and have until October to minimize the damage.

Carney next up? I'd be ok with that.

edit: I was reading Pepsi's mind apparently

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Because watching someone try hard and fail is so much more satisfying that just watching them quit and walk away.

Congrats, you get both. He’s already tried hard and failed. Now he’ll walk away.

[Ped]

Heard some poll numbers on the news that suggest Freeland could win some votes. Didn't hear the source, though.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I guess that's why there's no election called yet. If you're treading towards non-party status JT can resign, the Libs can wipe their hands clean of him and have until October to minimize the damage.

Carney next up? I'd be ok with that.

edit: I was reading Pepsi's mind apparently

Unless Singh goes back on his promise to Canadians....which would hardly be a surprise.

[Jacks]

Not sure how the timeline is going to work. If they are going to have a leadership race they need 3-4 months unless they are decide to override the party constitution and appoint a leader. To get a 3-4 month cushion at this point Trudeau would need to prorogue, it's not a given that the GG will grant that request. Yes, yes I know that Harper prorogued (and some people went nuts who will probably be okay with it now) but that was early in a mandate and Parliament was in chaos. Also, the government needs to pass a supply bill to keep operating by the end of March, not sure how that is going to work?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Unless Singh goes back on his promise to Canadians....which would hardly be a surprise.

There is NO WAY the NDP was ever going to bring down the gov't. They are so broke their credit cards are still getting declined.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Locke

Because watching someone try hard and fail is so much more satisfying that just watching them quit and walk away.

That’s only satisfying when it’s somebody else’s country.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Ped

Heard some poll numbers on the news that suggest Freeland could win some votes. Didn't hear the source, though.

Probably referring to the recent Angus Reid poll. I seem to remember that Freeland had the most support among the likely candidates (20%ish?) but none of the above was still in the lead. Just going off memory though.


Edit:
https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...54a587f9c.html

With Trudeau at the helm, the Liberals held 13 per cent vote intention compared to the other parties, with the Conservatives at 39 per cent. But with Freeland leading, Liberal vote intention jumped to 21 per cent — still lower than the Tories’ 36 per cent, but higher than former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney and Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly at 14 and 16 per cent, respectively.This was especially true among Liberal voters and those considering voting red, with 40 per cent of current voters saying they’d be more likely to support the party with her as leader. This figure fell to 27 and 28 per cent among people who are “definitely” considering the party and those who “might” consider voting Liberal, respectively.

Compared to Carney, Joly, Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Finance Dominic LeBlanc and Transport Minister Anita Anand, Freeland had the most name recognition by far, with just eight per cent of respondents not knowing who she is.



But Freeland was also the most controversial, with 29 per cent of respondents saying they’d be less likely to vote Liberal with her as leader.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

There is NO WAY the NDP was ever going to bring down the gov't. They are so broke their credit cards are still getting declined.

Does it hurt the NDP at all if they don't follow through on Singh's promise?

“The Liberals don’t deserve another chance. That’s why the NDP will vote to bring this government down, and give Canadians a chance to vote for a government who will work for them,” Singh wrote in a letter shared publicly on Friday morning.

Or do NDP voters just not care about what their leader says and if they actually follow through on things?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

There is NO WAY the NDP was ever going to bring down the gov't. They are so broke their credit cards are still getting declined.

I was going to go with getting loans from Money Mart but credit cards work to.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Does it hurt the NDP at all if they don't follow through on Singh's promise?


Or do NDP voters just not care about what their leader says and if they actually follow through on things?

It will hurt them more if they call an early election. No one pays attention to Singh anyways. Can't wait until Nenshi gives him the finger and renames the provincial party.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Probably referring to the recent Angus Reid poll. I seem to remember that Freeland had the most support among the likely candidates (20%ish?) but none of the above was still in the lead. Just going off memory though.


Edit:
https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...54a587f9c.html

Way too much Trudeau stink. If it's her I don't see much of a bump in any polling numbers in the near future. Need to clean house.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Not sure how the timeline is going to work. If they are going to have a leadership race they need 3-4 months unless they are decide to override the party constitution and appoint a leader. To get a 3-4 month cushion at this point Trudeau would need to prorogue, it's not a given that the GG will grant that request. Yes, yes I know that Harper prorogued (and some people went nuts who will probably be okay with it now) but that was early in a mandate and Parliament was in chaos. Also, the government needs to pass a supply bill to keep operating by the end of March, not sure how that is going to work?

It will be interesting to see the debate over proroguing, and the GG decision.



I mean we're heading into the budget period, we have in a sense a hostile US government coming in that could drop a bomb on our economy. We have what would be a anxious population.


I would expect if the Libs prorogue that it will hurt them further in the polls.



Frankly if I was a senior in the Liberal Party there's no way that I would want to run for PM, its a career ender in politics right now. Freeland and Carney will get more favourable then Trudeau but not enough.



If I one of the perspective leaders, I'd convince the party to set up Mark Gerrettsen, or Jenn O'connell (I kid) to run for the PM slot, let the party tack the beating, which would allow a flushing out and rebuilding of the party over the next 4 or 5 years, and start cleaning house.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Does it hurt the NDP at all if they don't follow through on Singh's promise?


Or do NDP voters just not care about what their leader says and if they actually follow through on things?

Well, NDP voters do care (like most people should) that leaders follow through on election promises, but no, nobody cares whether Singh keeps his word about an election or not, and I imagine most NDP supporters would prefer he didn’t based on where the polls currently stand. Conservatives care if Singh keeps his word… a lot… but the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc all maintain avenues to work together so it’s less urgent.

The NDP don’t have the cash for an election, and sacrificed a lot in the polls to achieve some good for Canadians. But yeah, seeing if there’s some magic to conjure up in 10 months is a far better play than just giving up and handing it over to the Cons.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If I one of the perspective leaders, I'd convince the party to set up Mark Gerrettsen, or Jenn O'connell (I kid) to run for the PM slot, let the party tack the beating, which would allow a flushing out and rebuilding of the party over the next 4 or 5 years, and start cleaning house.

We don't need to be subjected to the idiocy that is Gerrettsen as an interim leader and during a federal election campaign.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

That's a big expansion of the current topic.

I will say: you seem to be under the impression that peoples' opinion of JP are a result of them not correctly understanding his points. That if we can describe him with certain words, arranged in a certain way, in an essay or a blog post, that people will see the light.

It might be useful for you to understand that people have a different opinion of JP than you do, even when they understand his views completely. You may not see your views as representing extreme progressivism, but it appears that they are. The more extreme progressives were a very loud minority and they confused that loudness with broad support. It's why the popularity of JP or Trump or even PP is so disruptive to you. The world was never as you imagined it in your head, and people's preferences are now being revealed and it is hard for you to reconcile.

JP, under any reasonable analysis is a bad person projecting harmful views on society. It's not a matter of liking or not liking, it's a matter of believing it is ok to discriminate against people you hate. JP clearly hates the roles women have chosen for themselves and directs his followers to do the same, and blame them for their own inability to relate to them. If you personally can't see this, that's your own failure, but you don't get to openly discriminate against people and pretend it is normal. It's not. Knock it off

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Way too much Trudeau stink. If it's her I don't see much of a bump in any polling numbers in the near future. Need to clean house.

I could see Freelund being popular with the current lot of MP's, but less so with the party membership as a whole. Like you say too much association with Trudeau who the electorate as a whole wants to move on from. She'd suffer a Kim Campbell like defeat if she ended up as Leader and lead them into the next election.