2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Dallas isn’t a model. They are pure luck. They also had 3 1sts. They won a lottery.

If this a retool who are we retooling around ? Huberdeau? Kadri? Coleman?

I think you'll have to take that to Conroy then, because that's the type of a rebuild/retool that he has said he envision for us.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Dallas isn’t a model. They are pure luck. They also had 3 1sts. They won a lottery.

If this a retool who are we retooling around ? Huberdeau? Kadri? Coleman?

We have a second line centre, a top 6 winger, and a goaltender and then it’s prospects. Tim the Tool Man Taylor couldn’t revamp that into a contender.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Zary isn't available from what I've been told. Calgary and Connor are going to get married shortly.

He loves it here, Family love's him being close to home.

Homegrown center that likes being here. Give him 8 years Connie!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I think you'll have to take that to Conroy then, because that's the type of a rebuild/retool that he has said he envision for us.

Conory says a lot of things to the media and does the opposite.

If this was a retool we would have a lot less picks right now and wouldn’t be sitting on 20M of cap space.

As we know the rebuild word isn’t allowed in Calgary.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Homegrown center that likes being here. Give him 8 years Connie!

I think 6y is more realistic, he's only been playing C at the NHL for a 40~ Games. 6 Years, some range between 36-42M.

[Funkhouser]

I think getting Petey would be an excellent move if feasible.
He is a dynamic play driver who still needs to mature a bit emotionally. He is a #1C, signed for his prime years. Honestly, if we could grab him - I could see our rebuild moving quickly with the prospects already in the system.

I imagine CGY could be the right environment to flourish as the team leaders are tight and the management appears to prioritize character and good values.

What could we offer Vancouver??
I would start with:
-late 1st (NJ - 2025)
-Honzek (Van should be familiar with him and frankly, I am not convinced of his upside)
-a young depth defenseman (Bean, Miromanov, Kuznetsov or Soloyov)
-Sharongovich (can play C and on any line)

The Flames have the depth to afford this. Would it interest VAN??

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Conory says a lot of things to the media and does the opposite.

If this was a retool we would have a lot less picks right now and wouldn’t be sitting on 20M of cap space.

As we know the rebuild word isn’t allowed in Calgary.

Conroy is actually notorious for saying exactly what he’s going to do and doing it. All of his decisions have been consistent with what he’s said, the problem is that people interpret some of those comments in a few different ways.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sec214

I think 6y is more realistic, he's only been playing C at the NHL for a 40~ Games. 6 Years, some range between 36-42M.

I was laughed at for suggesting a 7M aav for him.

What about Coronato. He’s progressing nicely I think he comes in at 7 as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I think getting Petey would be an excellent move if feasible.
He is a dynamic play driver who still needs to mature a bit emotionally. He is a #1C, signed for his prime years. Honestly, if we could grab him - I could see our rebuild moving quickly with the prospects already in the system.

I imagine CGY could be the right environment to flourish as the team leaders are tight and the management appears to prioritize character and good values.

What could we offer Vancouver??
I would start with:
-late 1st (NJ - 2025)
-Honzek (Van should be familiar with him and frankly, I am not convinced of his upside)
-a young depth defenseman (Bean, Miromanov, Kuznetsov or Soloyov)
-Sharongovich (can play C and on any line)

The Flames have the depth to afford this. Would it interest VAN??

If they thought they got fleeced for Lindholm I have no words here.

Bean or Miromanov pretty much have zero value.

So now it’s down to a prospect who hasn’t played much due to injuries a late 1st and a guy with 6 goals.

Might be worse than the Thornton trade.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Zary isn't available from what I've been told. Calgary and Connor are going to get married shortly.

He loves it here, Family love's him being close to home.

This is great news. IMO conroy was just doing his job in acquiring what it would take to get Peterson. I would like to think he wants to add another center to go with Zary as center also. I doubt he wants to add and subtract at the center position.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

True, until he does. Then he becomes unavailable, and the type of player that you can only get "by drafting top 5", etc, etc.. 100 pt centers don't grow on trees. I recall many on here saying that Eichel wasn't a player you win with either.

Again, the timing might not be 100% right for us, but I sense there's a potential buy-low opportunity here to get a young, potentially elite center. Zary should 100% be on the table here. It just depends on who or what else they want.

It sounds like Zary wouldn’t be the key piece, but a + in the package, in which case I think we’d be given up too much.

But you’re right. Too often players are labelled as guys you can’t win with, until they win, then people rewrite history instead of ever learning from it. Not saying EP will be that guy, but I’m not going to sit here and say he isn’t because he hasn’t. That’s foolish.

Originally Posted by Sec214

Zary isn't available from what I've been told. Calgary and Connor are going to get married shortly.

He loves it here, Family love's him being close to home.

Would love to see 8 year deals for both Zary and Coronato. But Zary primarily (would still be happy to have Coronato locked for 4-6).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Conroy is actually notorious for saying exactly what he’s going to do and doing it. All of his decisions have been consistent with what he’s said, the problem is that people interpret some of those comments in a few different ways.

He has used the word retool and made all trades rebuild trades.

I guess he did stick to his word in only short term deals.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He has used the word retool and made all trades rebuild trades.

Not true. Many of his trades has addressed both the present and the future. So not quite full retool but not full rebuild either. His main focus has been on making the team younger.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Not sure where to post this, but this thread seems to make sense, with all the Pettersson discussion... Here is why I think it is insane for the Flames to give up good young assets for a 26 year old. Let's break down the roster into groups, in order to see better when the Flames are in their life cycle.

Mature players: 30 and up - can help now, but not for much longer
Prime: 26-30 - the driving force of the team. Ideally, you want your core to be in this group
Pre-prime: 25 and under - can be key players now, but their best years are still ahead of them
Prospects: not yet on the roster

If most of your players are Mature, your window is closing. If most of your key players are Prime, your window is now. And if your key players are younger and prospects, your window is still ahead of you. The goal is to build a strong core group that are all in their prime together, along with some young players to continue to feed the core (and keep costs down). So where are the Flames, currently?

Mature:
Huberdeau
Kadri
Coleman
Backlund
Lomberg
Rooney
Hanley
Barrie

Prime:
Sharangovich
Andersson
Weegar
Kuzmenko
Kirkland
Duehr
Bean
Miromanov
Vladar

Young:
Wolf
Zary
Coronato
Bahl
Pachal
Pelletier
**Pospisil**

Prospects:
A) Parekh, Honzek, Brzustewicz
B) Gridin, Morin, Suniev, Stromgren, Basha, Mews
C) Grushnikov, Battaglia, Misa and on and on

Look at the core group - I would venture to guess that there isn't another team in the NHL that is that weak in the 26-30 range. You CANNOT build a competitive team around that. The Flames should absolutely NOT be trying to add to the Prime group (i.e. try to be competitive now). Adding Pettersson to that - at the cost of several of the young players - is beyond stupid.

The Flames' organizational strength is in their Young players and Prospects. They are actually in a really good position with players 23 and under. They need to continue to focus on that - continue to trade the Mature players, as their contracts come due, and acquire more picks and/or young players.

Cozens fits this model (at the right price). Pettersson does not. Not saying I particularly want Cozens, just saying his age fits the plan.

You missed a Slovak potentially causing Locke an aneurysm.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Not true. Many of his trades has addressed both the present and the future. So not quite full retool but not full rebuild either. His main focus has been on making the team younger.

While also making sure the guys that are here want to be here. He is getting as much draft capital as possible while icing a team that doesn't like to lose and wants to remain a Flame.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What's especially strange is how the mods protect this account, let this obviously previously banned user back over and over again.



This person is a sad, lonely individual with a sad life. Can't imagine them having a better personality off the computer either.

I'll never understand how some can come to this conclusion, that the mods are somehow "protecting" this or other accounts. Really strange assertion.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Not true. Many of his trades has addressed both the present and the future. So not quite full retool but not full rebuild either. His main focus has been on making the team younger.

Which trade fits a retool? Kuzmenko? He was a pump and dump that isn’t working out.

Miromanov ? A long shot project who is a healthy scratch ?

The Sharangovich trade fits a retool but happened before he started to tear it down.

I guess we will see what happens when he starts moving out others.

[Jason14h]

Retool is such a stupid term rebuilding teams use to not scare off fans and sponsors

A retool would be Van trading JT and Petty for win now similar calibre players .

Trading all your UFAs for draft picks and marginal nhl ready players and signing no UFAs while carrying 20million cap space is certainly not retooling

I would argue if anything the MT trade and offseason was a (failed) retooling

[Paulie Walnuts]

You also usually have a roster to retool around. I have yet to get an answer on who we would retool around.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Which trade fits a retool?

- Toffoli trade
- Markstrom trade

- The Lindholm trade is mostly rebuild but as much as its' not working out Kuzmenko is still an NHLer. He most likely won't be retained but had things worked out Conroy would probably want to re-sign if his demands were reasonable.
- The Hanifin trade was mostly rebuild but as much I'm not a fan of Miromanov but his been with the team all year even if he's not a regular.

Then there's waiver claims like Pachal.

The Zadorov and Tanev trades were full rebuild trades.

So like I said, not full retool but not full rebuild either. He's acquired players who are good enough to play in the NHL now instead of years from now.