2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well then. I suppose I should stop listening to the play callers on CBC. They were hyping him up a lot last night.

Well that’s probably good advice regardless.

[Sec214]

Sorry for my comments Jungleboi, uncalled for however I'm still going to GIF.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Sorry for my comments Jungleboi, uncalled for however I'm still going to GIF.

Well that settles it… we’re trading for someone young from Atlanta

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Well that settles it… we’re trading for someone young from Atlanta

Trae Young is good at putting a ball in the basket, can he fill the net?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Groot

While I don't disagree with passing on Pettersson given likely cost, I think the above highlights why the Flames are going to have trouble bottoming out. Not saying these are direct comparables but...

Horvat = Zary
Demko = Wolf
Boeser = Coronato
Nothing = Honzek so we're a step ahead
Pettersson = TBD hence discussing trading for him
Hughes = Parekh

Then you add in the wealth of other prospects that can and will promote in the next 1-3 years, and the team is in a pretty good spot. I still have Zary as untouchable as I think he has PPG C upside.

I think you are proving his point. 3 players won’t keep this patchwork roster in contention. Vancouver also had Markstrom during this time.

A goalie can only do so much when you score 1-2 goals a game.

Even the other good prospects will take time. I’m looking at a Mews and Misa.

That’s why rebuilds take time. You can rush it into a 2-3 year thing. Or you just end up rebuilding again in 1-2 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Sorry for my comments Jungleboi, uncalled for however I'm still going to GIF.

I prefer memes.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Sorry for my comments Jungleboi, uncalled for however I'm still going to GIF.

You got any info you can provide for us? I always appreciate the gifs and all but what are you hearing right now?

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I prefer memes.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

You got any info you can provide for us? I always appreciate the gifs and all but what are you hearing right now?

Hi Pickle!

Happy new year! Wishing you all the best in 2025.

There is lots cooking with the flames their involved with at least 4 Teams but nothing close enough for me to GIF burn the CP Server.

[Enoch Root]

Not sure where to post this, but this thread seems to make sense, with all the Pettersson discussion... Here is why I think it is insane for the Flames to give up good young assets for a 26 year old. Let's break down the roster into groups, in order to see better when the Flames are in their life cycle.

Mature players: 30 and up - can help now, but not for much longer
Prime: 26-30 - the driving force of the team. Ideally, you want your core to be in this group
Pre-prime: 25 and under - can be key players now, but their best years are still ahead of them
Prospects: not yet on the roster

If most of your players are Mature, your window is closing. If most of your key players are Prime, your window is now. And if your key players are younger and prospects, your window is still ahead of you. The goal is to build a strong core group that are all in their prime together, along with some young players to continue to feed the core (and keep costs down). So where are the Flames, currently?

Mature:
Huberdeau
Kadri
Coleman
Backlund
Lomberg
Rooney
Hanley
Barrie

Prime:
Sharangovich
Andersson
Weegar
Kuzmenko
Kirkland
Duehr
Bean
Miromanov
Vladar

Young:
Wolf
Zary
Coronato
Bahl
Pachal
Pelletier

Prospects:
A) Parekh, Honzek, Brzustewicz
B) Gridin, Morin, Suniev, Stromgren, Basha, Mews
C) Grushnikov, Battaglia, Misa and on and on

Look at the core group - I would venture to guess that there isn't another team in the NHL that is that weak in the 26-30 range. You CANNOT build a competitive team around that. The Flames should absolutely NOT be trying to add to the Prime group (i.e. try to be competitive now). Adding Pettersson to that - at the cost of several of the young players - is beyond stupid.

The Flames' organizational strength is in their Young players and Prospects. They are actually in a really good position with players 23 and under. They need to continue to focus on that - continue to trade the Mature players, as their contracts come due, and acquire more picks and/or young players.

Cozens fits this model (at the right price). Pettersson does not. Not saying I particularly want Cozens, just saying his age fits the plan.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If we made that trade, we would then be in year 0 of the rebuild.

Also, Zary is not a prospect, he is arguably our best forward right now, and he has only been playing C for about a month.

No, you misunderstood. I never said Zary was a prospect. He's the kind of young roster player that should be available in a package for a better roster player. That's what I meant.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Hi Pickle!

Happy new year! Wishing you all the best in 2025.

There is lots cooking with the flames their involved with at least 4 Teams but nothing close enough for me to GIF burn the CP Server.

Thanks Sec! You as well! Looking forward to some action in the new year!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Conory said 18-23 as well not 18-27 or 25. I think he understands you can’t be adding 25 plus year olds at a significant cost to this team. It’s wasting assets.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

No, you misunderstood. I never said Zary was a prospect. He's the kind of young roster player that should be available in a package for a better roster player. That's what I meant.

So we trade Zary along with picks. Now we need to find a Zary to play with the better player. So that will require more picks and prospects out the door because teams aren’t trading Zary for a Pospisil.

Trading for a Zary likely costs a 1st and another pick. So we could be potentially down 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks. A good prospect. Now we don’t have the picks to replenish the prospect base and we have a 27 year old and need to surround him with players to compete.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So we trade Zary along with picks. Now we need to find a Zary to play with the better player. So that will require more picks and prospects out the door because teams aren’t trading Zary for a Pospisil.

Trading for a Zary likely costs a 1st and another pick. So we could be potentially down 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks. A good prospect. Now we don’t have the picks to replenish the prospect base and we have a 27 year old and need to surround him with players to compete.

Zary isn't available from what I've been told. Calgary and Connor are going to get married shortly.

He loves it here, Family love's him being close to home.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Eichel and Stone came up when the team was battling for division titles.

But any recent examples for rebuilding teams spending significant assets for mid 20’s players ?

I’d be open to dealing Zary or others of we are talking Bedard or Celebrini.

Great question, and I think the answer to that is, what do you or more importantly Conroy, think this team is and where is it trending.

If we're in year 1 of a teardown rebuild, then no, there are probably no examples of a team like that spending assets to acquire a guy like Petey.

But if we're in year 1 of a retooling team that still has playoff aspirations this year and every year after that, then there's lots of examples of those teams going for players like Petey.

We can and have debated endlessly on which path this team should take, but the reality is we fall in the 2nd camp, with realistically small chance of getting a top 5 pick.

Conroy has compared our rebuild to the Dallas model, and Petey is comparable to a Seguin of the Dallas model. This is the only way we get a Seguin by going with the Dallas model - we aren't getting that through tanking.

I'd love to package Zary to get a Celebrini or Bedard too lol, but come on.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

True, until he does. Then he becomes unavailable, and the type of player that you can only get "by drafting top 5", etc, etc.. 100 pt centers don't grow on trees. I recall many on here saying that Eichel wasn't a player you win with either.

Again, the timing might not be 100% right for us, but I sense there's a potential buy-low opportunity here to get a young, potentially elite center. Zary should 100% be on the table here. It just depends on who or what else they want.

Pettersson has hit 100 pts once. He is an 80 pt player that costs $11.6M

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So we trade Zary along with picks. Now we need to find a Zary to play with the better player. So that will require more picks and prospects out the door because teams aren’t trading Zary for a Pospisil.

Trading for a Zary likely costs a 1st and another pick. So we could be potentially down 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks. A good prospect. Now we don’t have the picks to replenish the prospect base and we have a 27 year old and need to surround him with players to compete.

We can draft a Zary with a 20-30th pick, which we currently have 4 of in the next 2 years. We may even have a Zary playing for the Wranglers, or in the CHL, right now (eg. Misa, Basha, Gridin). No need to trade for players like that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Dallas isn’t a model. They are pure luck. They also had 3 1sts. They won a lottery.

If this a retool who are we retooling around ? Huberdeau? Kadri? Coleman?

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Zary isn't available from what I've been told. Calgary and Connor are going to get married shortly.

He loves it here, Family love's him being close to home.

Love to hear it.