2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Andersson+ zary + 1st 2025 more closely fits the rumored ask. Throw in honzek as the prospect.
We are talking about a player who is 26 and has scored over 100 at in a season. But the package you're pitching is the dream package for van.

That is a massive overpayment. It is also entirely counter-productive to where the Flames are in the competitive cycle.

I wouldn't do Zary + 1st, never mind also including Andersson and maybe Honzek.

You continually claim the Flames have been in the mushy middle for 30 years. Less than one season into a rebuild, you are suggesting trading 3 valuable assets, plus a player that should bring us 2 or 3 more valuable assets, for a guy who is 26 and will be past his prime before the Flames are close to being competitive again.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever (along with being an overpayment)

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think Huby can play the role he has right now through his contract. Right now he's on the first line, but when the Flames are good he'll be in a middle six, experienced, 200 foot player role. That's just fine. He seems to be happy too.

So no point in paying another team to benefit from the transformation in Huby's game that we painfully endured,

So if you trade Anderson to MTL then a 1st and probably Dach need to come back the other way. More if we are taking defense dead weight back. Or has the get Dach cheap ship already sailed?

Huby has had a nice run but I’d gladly move on from him if it didn’t cost the Flames anything. He’s not the complete 200 foot player that you can play in all situations and still has major issues against other teams best lines.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Conroy took Alvin and the Chipmunks to the cleaners in the Lindholm deal. I suspect they know it as well.

No way they trade their top forward for 3rd and 4th liners.

If we had a Pettersson on our team would you be looking to trade him for a late 1st a 3rd liner in Pospisil and Suniev?

We hardly have a core right now. Likely 1 of them is gone in a trade for that type of player.

My entire post you quoted answered every point you made.

The core is "developing" i.e Parekh, Wolf, Zary, Coronato etc,
The reason to go after a Petterson type is to add to that group.

I also said, if the Canucks don't bite , oh well.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kirby Dach has found his form again. Another of those red flag young centers who are/were potential buy low candidates.

That's the thing with trade rumors, players performance is very fluid and impact value many times over the course of 1 season.

The way Dach is playing these last 6 games, he's no longer a buy low candidate. Plus I don't really want to deal with those Habs managers anyways.

He's got 4 points in 6 games. After getting 1 in 15. I can't imagine his trade value has changed dramatically.

[Major Major]

This is such a tre trap it's ridiculous. What we should be doing is calling Toronto to take back a contract for merely some distant 1st rounder with limited protection so Brad can go big game hunting.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Groot

He's got 4 points in 6 games. After getting 1 in 15. I can't imagine his trade value has changed dramatically.

Well then. I suppose I should stop listening to the play callers on CBC. They were hyping him up a lot last night.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well then. I suppose I should stop listening to the play callers on CBC. They were hyping him up a lot last night.

He’s still mostly bad at everything.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think we need to stop acting so desperate for a center. Zary is coming along nice and we have 4 picks on the next 2 drafts.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Conroy took Alvin and the Chipmunks to the cleaners in the Lindholm deal. I suspect they know it as well.

No way they trade their top forward for 3rd and 4th liners.

If we had a Pettersson on our team would you be looking to trade him for a late 1st a 3rd liner in Pospisil and Suniev?

We hardly have a core right now. Likely 1 of them is gone in a trade for that type of player.

The Lindholm deal was an amazing trade for us and no doubt one of Conroy's best, but it's not to the level of Erat for Forsberg or anything like that that would prevent Vancouver from dealing with us again unless they returned the favour. I doubt they are as sour about it as many here suspect.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by blankall

Does anyone expect to have any actual insiders on here consistently posting non public information? Why would an insider risk their job to post on this forum? If they had that information why wouldn't they set up their own website and/or social media platform and monetize the info?

From the sounds of it we have a few posters that have some kind of adjacent professional or personal information to hockey. We should be thankful for what they provide instead of constantly bashing them because they aren't correct 100% of the time. Nobody is correct about this stuff all the time, for the simple reason that no one, including the actual managers and players, knows what's happening most of the time. GMs and scouts are likely constantly kicking tires, making phone calls, inquiring, etc....

We've had "actual" insiders on this site for years. Some of them have PM'd me to make sure it was ok. Some just shake out after years.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think we need to stop acting so desperate for a center. Zary is coming along nice and we have 4 picks on the next 2 drafts.

And after we complete ripping things down (Andersson, Kadri, Coleman, Weegar) we might even have another one or two picks

[RedHawk12]

As for Petey, he may not be the specific player we would want to target, but we should really stop using hyperbole when talking about Zary being unavailable, or hanging up the phone when asked about Bruz. I don't think we have a elite core piece that should be absolutely not available on our main roster (not including prospects) for elite players. That includes Zary. He's a good player, but Mangiapane and Dube were once good young upside players too. Valimaki was once a top prospect. None of these players should be off the table for a player like Eichel, or Stone, or players like Petey, especially if they are in the early mid 20s and could be a part of our core for the next 8-10 years.

Personally, a deal like Zary, Morin, NJ 1st, and 2026 2nd for Petey is a deal you take for the Flames.

With that said, I do understand that there's an argument that the timing is not right because we are year 1 of a rebuild.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

As for Petey, he may not be the specific player we would want to target, but we should really stop using hyperbole when talking about Zary being unavailable, or hanging up the phone when asked about Bruz. I don't think we have a elite core piece that should be absolutely not available on our main roster (not including prospects) for elite players. That includes Zary. He's a good player, but Mangiapane and Dube were good players. Valimaki was once a top prospect. None of these players should be off the table for a player like Eichel, or Stone, or players like Petey, especially of they are in the early mid 20s and could be a part of our core for the next 8-10 years.

Personally, a deal like Zary, Morin, NJ 1st, and 2026 2nd for Petey is a deal you take for the Flames.

With that said, I do understand that there's an argument that the timing is not right because we are year 1 of a rebuild.

Petey is a player that gets you to the playoffs, not through the playoffs. Agree with many here. Pass on this player. Team with petey as their best player won’t win post season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

My entire post you quoted answered every point you made.

The core is "developing" i.e Parekh, Wolf, Zary, Coronato etc,
The reason to go after a Petterson type is to add to that group.

I also said, if the Canucks don't bite , oh well.

I think the best comparison for Parekh is Hughes. He joined the NHL in D+2 but he became a really good player in D+4 and he became a star who elevated the Canucks and ran the team at D+6

When Parekh is D+6, Pettersson will be going on 32.

Here's how the Nucks built their core (drafts):

2013: Horvat (became Miller)
2014: Demko
2015: Boeser
2016: nothing (Juolevi)
2017: Pettersson
2018: Hughes

That's how you build a core - let's draft Parekh's team-mates, instead of spending good young assets to acquire guys that are going to be passed their prime when he's a star.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think we need to stop acting so desperate for a center. Zary is coming along nice and we have 4 picks on the next 2 drafts.

Disagree on this point let me paint a hypothetical.

Kadri , out 4 to 6 weeks with ankle issue.

Two games later. Backlund out week to week with lower body issue.

Our centers would be zary, rooney,kerins. If that happened we might win ten games the rest if the year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

As for Petey, he may not be the specific player we would want to target, but we should really stop using hyperbole when talking about Zary being unavailable, or hanging up the phone when asked about Bruz. I don't think we have a elite core piece that should be absolutely not available on our main roster (not including prospects) for elite players. That includes Zary. He's a good player, but Mangiapane and Dube were once good young upside players too. Valimaki was once a top prospect. None of these players should be off the table for a player like Eichel, or Stone, or players like Petey, especially if they are in the early mid 20s and could be a part of our core for the next 8-10 years.

Personally, a deal like Zary, Morin, NJ 1st, and 2026 2nd for Petey is a deal you take for the Flames.

With that said, I do understand that there's an argument that the timing is not right because we are year 1 of a rebuild.

If we made that trade, we would then be in year 0 of the rebuild.

Also, Zary is not a prospect, he is arguably our best forward right now, and he has only been playing C for about a month.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

As for Petey, he may not be the specific player we would want to target, but we should really stop using hyperbole when talking about Zary being unavailable, or hanging up the phone when asked about Bruz. I don't think we have a elite core piece that should be absolutely not available on our main roster (not including prospects) for elite players. That includes Zary. He's a good player, but Mangiapane and Dube were once good young upside players too. Valimaki was once a top prospect. None of these players should be off the table for a player like Eichel, or Stone, or players like Petey, especially if they are in the early mid 20s and could be a part of our core for the next 8-10 years.

Personally, a deal like Zary, Morin, NJ 1st, and 2026 2nd for Petey is a deal you take for the Flames.

With that said, I do understand that there's an argument that the timing is not right because we are year 1 of a rebuild.

Eichel and Stone came up when the team was battling for division titles.

But any recent examples for rebuilding teams spending significant assets for mid 20’s players ?

I’d be open to dealing Zary or others of we are talking Bedard or Celebrini.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Disagree on this point let me paint a hypothetical.

Kadri , out 4 to 6 weeks with ankle issue.

Two games later. Backlund out week to week with lower body issue.

Our centers would be zary, rooney,kerins. If that happened we might win ten games the rest if the year.

Not a big deal. We are rebuilding not trying to compete for 9th place.

Gives Zary more opportunities and we can see what Kerins has.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Petey is a player that gets you to the playoffs, not through the playoffs. Agree with many here. Pass on this player. Team with petey as their best player won’t win post season.

True, until he does. Then he becomes unavailable, and the type of player that you can only get "by drafting top 5", etc, etc.. 100 pt centers don't grow on trees. I recall many on here saying that Eichel wasn't a player you win with either.

Again, the timing might not be 100% right for us, but I sense there's a potential buy-low opportunity here to get a young, potentially elite center. Zary should 100% be on the table here. It just depends on who or what else they want.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the best comparison for Parekh is Hughes. He joined the NHL in D+2 but he became a really good player in D+4 and he became a star who elevated the Canucks and ran the team at D+6

When Parekh is D+6, Pettersson will be going on 32.

Here's how the Nucks built their core (drafts):

2013: Horvat (became Miller)
2014: Demko
2015: Boeser
2016: nothing (Juolevi)
2017: Pettersson
2018: Hughes

That's how you build a core - let's draft Parekh's team-mates, instead of spending good young assets to acquire guys that are going to be passed their prime when he's a star.

While I don't disagree with passing on Pettersson given likely cost, I think the above highlights why the Flames are going to have trouble bottoming out. Not saying these are direct comparables but...

Horvat = Zary
Demko = Wolf
Boeser = Coronato
Nothing = Honzek so we're a step ahead
Pettersson = TBD hence discussing trading for him
Hughes = Parekh

Then you add in the wealth of other prospects that can and will promote in the next 1-3 years, and the team is in a pretty good spot. I still have Zary as untouchable as I think he has PPG C upside.