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Old 12-29-2024, 08:50 PM   #201
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Find actual citation for that.

Stone said after he signed the extension that he wanted to sign with Vegas, which is what you’d expect a guy to say. I don’t believe he actually said he unwilling to sign elsewhere, and I don’t believe there was any actual reporting saying he was only willing to negotiate with Vegas/wouldn’t negotiate with anyone else.

The Flames went to bed the night before believing they were acquiring (speculating) Stone (there was an interview with an AGM I believe who said they went to bed believing they had a deal done, but it had changed when they woke up). The rumours were Ottawa’s ask of Valimaki/Brannstrom, with Vegas willing to go there and Calgary not - and Vegas went there on the day of.
It's all rumours but I heard they agreed to include Valimaki if Stone would re-sign which is why they thought the deal was done but then when discussions actually started with Stone on if he'd sign his ask was $10.5 x 8 and he wasn't willing to budge.

His ask for Vegas was a bit cheaper ($9.5M) and they could make it work where the Flames weren't able to (stupid Neal contract and Tkachuk being a pending RFA) to actually fit him in at anything more than about $8.0 - $8.5M.

TBH at the time Stone had only really been a Point per game player a couple times in his career, so $10.5M was pretty steep ask for that type of production in 2019.

Had they not stupidly signed Neal and left space open to make a big acquisition it could have worked but no real way to work that in with Neal on the books and Tkachuk a pending RFA.

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It's all rumours but I heard they agreed to include Valimaki which is why they thought the deal was done but then when discussions actually started with Stone on if he'd sign his ask was $10.5 x 8 and he wasn't willing to budge.

His ask for Vegas was a bit cheaper ($9.5M) and they could make it work where the Flames weren't able to (stupid Neal contract and Tkachuk being a pending RFA) to actually fit him in at anything more than about $8.0 - $8.5M.

TBH at the time Stone had only really been a Point per game player a couple times in his career, so $10.5M was pretty steep ask for that type of production in 2019.
Yeah, I find that entire Stone situation to be one of those things where speculation turned to rumour, rumour turned to fact. I doubt we'll ever know much more than we were in it until the end - but, regardless, Vegas won the day for the right player and that's the key.

They spent assets in a trade for the right player in that situation, and only could because they had cultivated the asset base they had (in their situation, thanks to the expansion draft). In the absence of bottoming out, this is the only real path of action Conroy has to build a contender in my eyes. Build an asset base so overflowing that when that right player comes available, you can pounce and outbid anyone.

...just have to make sure you're actually identifying the right player.
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Yeah, I find that entire Stone situation to be one of those things where speculation turned to rumour, rumour turned to fact. I doubt we'll ever know much more than we were in it until the end - but, regardless, Vegas won the day for the right player and that's the key.

They spent assets in a trade for the right player in that situation, and only could because they had cultivated the asset base they had (in their situation, thanks to the expansion draft). In the absence of bottoming out, this is the only real path of action Conroy has to build a contender in my eyes. Build an asset base so overflowing that when that right player comes available, you can pounce and outbid anyone.

...just have to make sure you're actually identifying the right player.
It wasn’t speculation. People from Winnipeg and Calgary told the reporter.
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It wasn’t speculation. People from Winnipeg and Calgary told the reporter.
Where is the actual report though?
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Where is the actual report though?
I’ve posted it about a half dozen times on this site. You were here. Do I really need to find it again?
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“Said an Eastern Conference team executive Sunday, who requested anonymity when I asked him about it:

“I was told he wouldn’t sign with anyone but Vegas,” said the exec, whose team definitely would have had interest.”
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/458...ghts-senators/
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There was other reporting but it’s too late to look right now
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