Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I also voted for Trudeau the first time around, and needless to say he's been a massive disappointment and needs to go. At the same time, this current version of the Conservatives with PP makes me sick to my stomach, so they definitely aren't getting my vote either.

Another benefit of Trudeau just resigning and holding the election later in the Fall is it also gives the Conservative Party time to find themselves a new leader. Not sure why conservatives are against that. Don’t they want somebody more palatable as PM?

By the way, is there a gag notice or something on Conservative MPs? When was the last time anybody heard from their local MP about anything?

[Locke]

How are the Marxist-Leninists shaping up for this Election?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

How are the Marxist-Leninists shaping up for this Election?

Not good at the moment but if you throw your name in the hat for their leadership race they might have chance.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Not good at the moment but if you throw your name in the hat for their leadership race they might have chance.

It would certainly make for an intriguing juxtaposition of morality and policy.

"How married are we to 'Workers of the World Unite?' Thats pretty firm is it? I see."

I think I need a party with a little more...irreverence.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Another benefit of Trudeau just resigning and holding the election later in the Fall is it also gives the Conservative Party time to find themselves a new leader. Not sure why conservatives are against that. Don’t they want somebody more palatable as PM?

By the way, is there a gag notice or something on Conservative MPs? When was the last time anybody heard from their local MP about anything?

Seems there is plenty of things for the Liberals to talk about. Dominating the headlines.

But ya, everyone, wtf are the other guys quiet for??? That’s what we should be talking about.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

As stupid as American politics can be, they have it right with term limits and set election dates. I hate how Canadian leaders can manipulate it so they can stave off elections when things are going bad and hold elections when things are going good to lock themselves in over and over.

Anytime you elect a leader in this country, you have to accept that getting them out after that is a massive chore. You pretty much have to wait it out until they cave in on themselves it seems.

I totally disagree with this, and I think basically everyone eager for an early election would disagree with you, too.

Personally, I think an elected official holding office until they can no longer win an election is democracy at work. It’s totally bizarre to say “Hey, this person is amazing, everyone loves them, but they can’t hold office anymore because of made up term limits so please select one of these garbage candidates.”

I get looking at the opposite angle, but you know, you can just… not vote for that person.

Canadian leaders can’t “lock themselves in over and over,” they can hold elections and let people vote. You’re saying people shouldn’t get to vote for people they like. Makes no sense.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Locke

How are the Marxist-Leninists shaping up for this Election?

Rhinoceros party is where it’s at.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I also voted for Trudeau the first time around, and needless to say he's been a massive disappointment and needs to go. At the same time, this current version of the Conservatives with PP makes me sick to my stomach, so they definitely aren't getting my vote either.

Who’s left? Do you think Singh should get a shot? Hard to say but I think he would be the worst option of the three.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

As stupid as American politics can be, they have it right with term limits and set election dates. I hate how Canadian leaders can manipulate it so they can stave off elections when things are going bad and hold elections when things are going good to lock themselves in over and over.

Anytime you elect a leader in this country, you have to accept that getting them out after that is a massive chore. You pretty much have to wait it out until they cave in on themselves it seems. The Liberals are at that point now it seems which sucks for everyone. It sucks for people who never wanted them there in the first place and it also sucks for people who want a strong Liberal party and now have to watch them bottom out and become powerless for the foreseeable future.

I'll admit that I am not a very engaged voter to begin with because quite honestly, I don't like or trust politicians in general, but I did vote for Trudeau and the Liberals in his first run because I though it was time to pivot the government. I am inclined to vote for the Conservatives next time for the same reason. I think it's healthy for a country to go back and forth. Would I do it over again knowing how selfishly power hungry Trudeau became... I can't say I would.

I agree with you and it’s why more people need to do homework before voting. I’ve often wondered if getting rid of parties all together and forcing everyone to run as independents accomplish that. But I doubt it.

[2Stonedbirds]

Yes, nothing screams democracy at work like the actions of one individual digging their heels in, against the wishes of their peers, while Nero plays his fiddle, in an effort to hold on to power for as long as possible in what can only be bizarrely described as ego over pragmatism. Delaying the inevitable out of sure ignorance. Not out of democratic prudence, but personal interests.

[Ped]

Another benefit of Trudeau just resigning and holding the election later in the Fall is it also gives the Conservative Party time to find themselves a new leader. Not sure why conservatives are against that. Don’t they want somebody more palatable as PM?

By the way, is there a gag notice or something on Conservative MPs? When was the last time anybody heard from their local MP about anything?

I think Conservatives are thrilled with PP so I don't see a lot of appetite to change him. They're leading the polls rather handily so why would they?



As for Conservative MPs, I'm sure they've all been told to shut up and not say anything controversial while JT is busy shooting himself in the foot.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Ped

I think Conservatives are thrilled with PP so I don't see a lot of appetite to change him. They're leading the polls rather handily so why would they?



As for Conservative MPs, I'm sure they've all been told to shut up and not say anything controversial while JT is busy shooting himself in the foot.

I think given the nature of things now, the CPC would win regardless of the leader. PP has done his little job well, but he doesn’t seem like a very serious PM. They could easily replace him with no ill effect.

I also meant quiet as in nothing - not even a blurb in the neighbourhood newsletters like, “happy holidays!” or whatever.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Yes, nothing screams democracy at work like the actions of one individual digging their heels in, against the wishes of their peers, while Nero plays his fiddle, in an effort to hold on to power for as long as possible in what can only be bizarrely described as ego over pragmatism. Delaying the inevitable out of sure ignorance. Not out of democratic prudence, but personal interests.

You’re forgetting he’s a narcissist.

It’s not him. It’s everyone else.

I think this is a case study at this point.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ok, I am not defending him I think he should step down as well. I am just saying do you think it's appropriate to step down during the holidays while he is with his family.

Nothing is going to happen over the next 7 days that makes it critical he step down today.

No way I want an election now either. Let the new person get the chance and we will see what happens in fall 25. But no way is PP getting my vote, what a joke. Imagine that irritating voice and tone, the new contacts on the world stage. No thank you. Not to mention he will follow a moron like Smith and tear the country apart with stupid ideas that people actually don't want.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Ok, I am not defending him I think he should step down as well. I am just saying do you think it's appropriate to step down during the holidays while he is with his family.

Nothing is going to happen over the next 7 days that makes it critical he step down today.

No way I want an election now either. Let the new person get the chance and we will see what happens in fall 25. But no way is PP getting my vote, what a joke. Imagine that irritating voice and tone, the new contacts on the world stage. No thank you. Not to mention he will follow a moron like Smith and tear the country apart with stupid ideas that people actually don't want.

I’ve had to listen to the dumbest mother ####er with an even worse voice stutter and stammer for the last 9 years. I’m fine with listening to someone that might make sense once in a blue moon.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Yes, nothing screams democracy at work like the actions of one individual digging their heels in, against the wishes of their peers, while Nero plays his fiddle, in an effort to hold on to power for as long as possible in what can only be bizarrely described as ego over pragmatism. Delaying the inevitable out of sure ignorance. Not out of democratic prudence, but personal interests.

Yes, it’s quite undemocratic when a democratically elected person finishes out the term they were elected for.

Or maybe sometimes democracy just doesn’t work the way people want and that’s ok.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Who’s left? Do you think Singh should get a shot? Hard to say but I think he would be the worst option of the three.

Really? I find that odd.

Out of the three he's the only one I actually like. Despite the fact that I'm certain he's a complete fool.

But at least if he's going to piss our money away, he's going to piss it away on actual, real people.

Justin just wants to raid the coffers for himself and Pierre there is a wildcard.

Singh seems like an idiot, but at least he seems like an honest idiot. He's going to waste taxpayer money indiscriminately but at least it seems like he'd waste it on taxpayers.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Ok, I am not defending him I think he should step down as well. I am just saying do you think it's appropriate to step down during the holidays while he is with his family.

Nothing is going to happen over the next 7 days that makes it critical he step down today.

No way I want an election now either. Let the new person get the chance and we will see what happens in fall 25. But no way is PP getting my vote, what a joke. Imagine that irritating voice and tone, the new contacts on the world stage. No thank you. Not to mention he will follow a moron like Smith and tear the country apart with stupid ideas that people actually don't want.

I agree with you on timing.

But like I said above. If it isn’t trudeau or PP that leaves you with Singh. Do you honestly think he’d be the best choice policy wise? I think he would be the worst of the three TBH and that’s hard to do.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Locke

Really? I find that odd.

Out of the three he's the only one I actually like. Despite the fact that I'm certain he's a complete fool.

But at least if he's going to piss our money away, he's going to piss it away on actual, real people.

Justin just wants to raid the coffers for himself and Pierre there is a wildcard.

Singh seems like an idiot, but at least he seems like an honest idiot. He's going to waste taxpayer money indiscriminately but at least it seems like he'd waste it on taxpayers.

I thought the same as you after the first round of debates. After soak time I just find him to be a hypocrite now. If you at all thought trudeau wasn’t good for Alberta’s interests I think Singh would be another level.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I thought the same as you after the first round of debates. After soak time I just find him to be a hypocrite now. If you at all thought trudeau wasn’t good for Alberta’s interests I think Singh would be another level.

Hypocrisy gets a bad reputation.

He's a Politician. He's going to do whats best for him. Thats just the nature of the deal and if he lies and cheats and steals to do it, thats just part and parcel.

I'd just prefer that the lying, cheating and stealing was done for the average Joe as opposed to personal wealth and Corporate interests.

Companies make enough money and Politicians are going to steal anyways, if the average Canadian gets Dental care and Prescriptions out of the deal, I'd prefer that to the alternative.

I'm a fiscal Conservative, which I have already acknowledged that the principle of fiscal conservatism is dead in my lifetime and I have no interest in social conservatism nor telling people what their rights should be or what they can or can't do with their bodies, thats going to come with some problems of its own, but hopefully I'll be dead by then. I'm working on it.

If Canadian taxpayer money is going to be pissed away I'd rather see it pissed away on stupid plans that actually benefit the average Canadian taxpayer and I really only see 1 guy willing to do that.

Pierre scares me, I do not like the concept of open Religious Zealotry in Government and Trudeau? If he were crossing the street that would provide a moral quandary.