The article says that with more than 80 appointees, 8 of the last 12 had Liberal ties, but previous to that (around 70) there were only Liberal ties in 30% of appointees.
So, even with the additional increase, it’s less than 40%. Which seems pretty normal and a sign the independent board is working the way it’s supposed to, no?
And then Jacks basically repeats the Conservative MP talking point. No bias from her, I’m sure.
Just read the feds caved in on their demand for a 2035 net zero electrical grid.
That’s a big win, and everyone should just take it as that. If they dogmatically declared they needed to continue with the idiocy it wouldn’t have been good for anybody. And it’s not like this government isn’t capable of doing that kind of thing.
The article says that with more than 80 appointees, 8 of the last 12 had Liberal ties, but previous to that (around 70) there were only Liberal ties in 30% of appointees.
The point was that the trend has been to appoint more and more Liberals as time goes on, the trend in the last year has been more than half are obvious Liberal partisans. That isn't even the real point, that was that Trudeau is doing to opposite of what he said he'd do as usual.
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And then classic "I'm done arguing" when presented with facts. Always love that one.
What facts?
I linked to an article showing the most recent appointments are previously elected Liberals. Fuzz's response "Oh noes, they donated to the Liberals" which is obviously a deflection.Then I replied that the point isn't that the next PM won't do the same thing but that Trudeau lied about what he would do, the response "K? What should Trudeau have done, left Harper's appointments empty? Not do his job?" as if I ever said that Trudeau shouldn't appoint Senators.
It's useless arguing with the regular campers that are here 24/7 because they ignore half of what you say and move the goal posts constantly. Anyway, I'll leave you 3 to continue your circular self-gratification.
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The point was that the trend has been to appoint more and more Liberals as time goes on, the trend in the last year has been more than half are obvious Liberal partisans. That isn't even the real point, that was that Trudeau is doing to opposite of what he said he'd do as usual
“As usual” aka on average, over the last year, not including every other year where he did what he said he’d do.
And then whines about a circle jerk because he’s wrong. Typical.
What, specifically has Trudeau lied about? As near as I can tell, it's that these are maybe patronage appointments that he said were wrong? Otherwise appointing people with past Liberal ties doesn't make them Liberal Senators. So what was the lie?
Anyway, I'll leave you 3 to continue your circular self-gratification.
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And then whines about a circle jerk because he’s wrong. Typical.
If this’ll help establish some common ground so that you can both start to see past your differences and maybe, just maybe save Dion’s Christmas, I’ll be the one to point out the obvious by saying that you’re both wrong. Based on all of the facts you’ve both presented so far, the scenario described above could only be a triangle jerk at best.
Ho! Ho! Ho!
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Long and slow transitions from one party to the next provide the only check on the elected dictator model of government we have.
The tradition of being a rubber stamp but available to act if political norms are broken provides additional protection.
So as long as the senate behaves like the unelected body that isn’t supposed to intervene it can serve its in case of emergency break glass function.
The idea of giving the maritimes even more disproportionate political power under US style concepts is terrible in a US style senate with equal per province representation you’d get 5 million people controlling 60% of the seats.
If this’ll help establish some common ground so that you can both start to see past your differences and maybe, just maybe save Dion’s Christmas, I’ll be the one to point out the obvious by saying that you’re both wrong. Based on all of the facts you’ve both presented so far, the scenario described above could only be a triangle jerk at best.
Should be a lot of interesting narratives in the new year.
Is canada heading towards a spring election? I think we will be.
How will the US trade tariff threats play out and will the benefit the US in any way. I don’t think they will outside of small wins.
Talking to people much more educated than I am on the energy landscape and the flows, at least on the oil side, there doesn't appear to be any belief that Trump could put in tariffs. The refineries in the US need Canadian crude for blending purposes and tariffs on Canadian crude would cause a lot of issues at the refineries, so they don't think it's a realistic possibility.
We'll see what happens when push comes to shove, it's not like Trump hasn't tried to do stupid stuff before. But my belief is that a lot of this tariff talk is just to put him in a better negotiating position, and he fully understands that many of these tariffs are not going to happen. It's all just a game to him and how he can feel like he's coming out on top, even if he really isn't.
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Should Trudeau resign? 69 per cent of Canadians say yes, according to new poll
The Leger poll also recorded new highs for government dissatisfaction: 72 per cent said they were dissatisfied with the Trudeau government
“The Liberals dropped a point; not a lot of movement,” said Andrew Enns, an executive vice president with Leger.
The stubbornness of the figures may reflect the fact that the Liberals have already hit their electoral floor — the hardcore base of supporters who will vote Liberal under almost any circumstances.
Dissident Liberals calling for Trudeau’s ouster have made the argument that it’s a simple numbers game: According to polls, the longer Trudeau is at the helm, the worse the defeat will be.
In an interview with CTV, Liberal MP Anthony Housefather said his party should take heed that the Conservatives and the Bloc seem to be favouring an election in which Trudeau remains Liberal leader.
Talking to people much more educated than I am on the energy landscape and the flows, at least on the oil side, there doesn't appear to be any belief that Trump could put in tariffs. The refineries in the US need Canadian crude for blending purposes and tariffs on Canadian crude would cause a lot of issues at the refineries, so they don't think it's a realistic possibility.
We'll see what happens when push comes to shove, it's not like Trump hasn't tried to do stupid stuff before. But my belief is that a lot of this tariff talk is just to put him in a better negotiating position, and he fully understands that many of these tariffs are not going to happen. It's all just a game to him and how he can feel like he's coming out on top, even if he really isn't.
That’s what I think as well. A 25% tariff would shut in all production. Which would decrease supply. Which would raise prices on american consumers. Which would shift voter sentiment. Which would force the end of tariffs with zero net gain.
Makes no sense. Maybe some small wins but north American industry is so intertwined the tariffs would do a lot of damage here but it would do just as much damage in the states in my opinion. Unless they could replace our products in-house. Which I don’t think they would be able to do.
Either way it’s probably time for canada to start diversifying their trading partners. That should have happened a long time ago. For the energy industry in particular that would mean LNG and crude offload facilities on each coast and displacing foriegn oil suppliers in the east with western canadian volumes.
Canadians are lazy when it comes to trading their goods. We should be more deversified. Trump is shining a light on that.
As stupid as American politics can be, they have it right with term limits and set election dates. I hate how Canadian leaders can manipulate it so they can stave off elections when things are going bad and hold elections when things are going good to lock themselves in over and over.
Anytime you elect a leader in this country, you have to accept that getting them out after that is a massive chore. You pretty much have to wait it out until they cave in on themselves it seems. The Liberals are at that point now it seems which sucks for everyone. It sucks for people who never wanted them there in the first place and it also sucks for people who want a strong Liberal party and now have to watch them bottom out and become powerless for the foreseeable future.
I'll admit that I am not a very engaged voter to begin with because quite honestly, I don't like or trust politicians in general, but I did vote for Trudeau and the Liberals in his first run because I though it was time to pivot the government. I am inclined to vote for the Conservatives next time for the same reason. I think it's healthy for a country to go back and forth. Would I do it over again knowing how selfishly power hungry Trudeau became... I can't say I would.
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I also voted for Trudeau the first time around, and needless to say he's been a massive disappointment and needs to go. At the same time, this current version of the Conservatives with PP makes me sick to my stomach, so they definitely aren't getting my vote either.
