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Old 12-19-2024, 08:11 PM   #16041
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I get calling for Trudeau to resign because even his own party wants him gone at this point as he’s hurting their chances for reelection. But the pension talk seems to just be an extension of conservatives having really no good reason why the NDP should make an election happen now outside of “we want it” and so have shifted from those debunked arguments to trying to paint Singh as “only doing it for the pension” as though he’s the only person in the NDP that makes any decisions. If an election happens in January we’ll just pretend this conversation never happened and if it doesn’t happen until October we’ll pretend it’s for some other selfish reason.

Hope that doesn’t come off as antagonistic. Don’t want to upset anyone.

Canadians want an election now. If he was doing this for Canada he would capitulate. Right now for better or worse we want stability especially with whats going on down south
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Old 12-19-2024, 08:18 PM   #16042
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Canadians want an election now. If he was doing this for Canada he would capitulate. Right now for better or worse we want stability especially with whats going on down south

Polls aren’t really showing a majority of Canadians wanting an early election. Maybe close, but still not more than half polled want that.
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There’s certainly nobody who has played this smarter than Singh over the last couple years. Did more to advance the NDP platform
The Federal NDP does not have the support of the vast majority of Canadians and has not had it for most of my lifetime. Any gains they’ve made have largely been low-resolution protest votes against the Conservatives, driven by dissatisfaction rather than genuine support. The Laurentian elite almost always go down in a blaze of glory.

Advancing the NDP agenda is not a win for Canadians—the government is not a daycare.

NDP policies are regressive and will harm struggling Canadians more than the Liberals or Conservatives ever could. Their so-called “progressive” policies are a wolf in sheep’s clothing—well-intentioned on the surface but fundamentally destructive. It’s the classic “road to hell is paved with good intentions” scenario, only on an even more damaging scale compared to the other two parties. (bolded to counteract your patented whataboutism)

There is ample evidence from certain U.S. states and European countries that many of the Federal NDP’s policies simply don’t work or are outright harmful to the very people they claim to fight for.

It doesn’t matter what motivates Singh—he continues to make poor choices by propping up a government that Canadians have clearly lost faith in.
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Old 12-19-2024, 08:22 PM   #16044
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From what I could find on Google, he has a net worth of $2 million. That's not outlandish for a man in his mid-40s. Collecting $60,000 for life if you lose your job seems like something you'd want to hold onto.

I thought it was higher, though I guess maybe that means he’s more salt of the earth than the “Maserati driving elite” detractors would have people believe.
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The Federal NDP does not have the support of the vast majority of Canadians and has not had it for most of my lifetime. Any gains they’ve made have largely been low-resolution protest votes against the Conservatives, driven by dissatisfaction rather than genuine support. The Laurentian elite almost always go down in a blaze of glory.

Advancing the NDP agenda is not a win for Canadians—the government is not a daycare.

NDP policies are regressive and will harm struggling Canadians more than the Liberals or Conservatives ever could. Their so-called “progressive” policies are a wolf in sheep’s clothing—well-intentioned on the surface but fundamentally destructive. It’s the classic “road to hell is paved with good intentions” scenario, only on an even more damaging scale compared to the other two parties. (bolded to counteract your patented whataboutism)

There is ample evidence from certain U.S. states and European countries that many of the Federal NDP’s policies simply don’t work or are outright harmful to the very people they claim to fight for.

It doesn’t matter what motivates Singh—he continues to make poor choices by propping up a government that Canadians have clearly lost faith in.
Sure, man.
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Let’s be real though, Singh hasn’t run particularly astute campaigns thus far, even if he’s made the best of his time actually in office. They usually have a great platform and Singh personally does well in a debate, but whether it’s a funding issue or whatever, the effectiveness of their campaign just suffers.

People have been accusing him of being the guy propping up/dragging out this government for almost the entirety of their agreement. Be totally honest, do you actually think he could change that perception in 4-5 weeks if the election was called tomorrow? Would you vote for the NDP if they did?
In spite of there being no incentive for Singh to vote non confidence and bring down the government, I believe he has to be thinking what is the right thing to do for the country under the present circumstances. With his call for JTs resignation, and all options open, tells me there is a strong possibility that he will vote non-confidence in the new year, and we will have a spring election.

just the way I see it
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Under Singh’s leadership, the NDP has lost nearly half its seats since Tom Mulcair’s tenure. Whether that’s entirely his fault or not is irrelevant—it seems unlikely that this trend will reverse in his third election. Singh knows his time as leader is coming to an end, but he’s clinging on until he reaches that coveted six-year mark.

With everything to lose personally, Singh is turning his back on Canadians. I suspect a supermajority will be the inevitable outcome of this government’s complete debacle and most of that is on the incomponent regressive Trudeau Liberals but Singh could of stopped the bleeding.

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The Federal Conservatives don't have the support of the vast majority of Canadians and have not had it for most of my lifetime. Any gains they’ve made have largely been low-resolution protest votes against anything left of them, driven by dissatisfaction rather than genuine support.
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The Federal Conservatives don't have the support of the vast majority of Canadians and have not had it for most of my lifetime. Any gains they’ve made have largely been low-resolution protest votes against anything left of them, driven by dissatisfaction rather than genuine support.
Doesn't matter. The guy who campaigned on the promise to change the Electoral process....yeah. He lied.
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The Federal NDP does not have the support of the vast majority of Canadians and has not had it for most of my lifetime. Any gains they’ve made have largely been low-resolution protest votes against the Conservatives, driven by dissatisfaction rather than genuine support. The Laurentian elite almost always go down in a blaze of glory.

Advancing the NDP agenda is not a win for Canadians—the government is not a daycare.

NDP policies are regressive and will harm struggling Canadians more than the Liberals or Conservatives ever could. Their so-called “progressive” policies are a wolf in sheep’s clothing—well-intentioned on the surface but fundamentally destructive. It’s the classic “road to hell is paved with good intentions” scenario, only on an even more damaging scale compared to the other two parties. (bolded to counteract your patented whataboutism)

There is ample evidence from certain U.S. states and European countries that many of the Federal NDP’s policies simply don’t work or are outright harmful to the very people they claim to fight for.

It doesn’t matter what motivates Singh—he continues to make poor choices by propping up a government that Canadians have clearly lost faith in.
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Doesn't matter. The guy who campaigned on the promise to change the Electoral process....yeah. He lied.
I just copy/pasted and changed the party names in Mel's rant about the NDP to show the hypocrisy. But, conservatives have only had 50% of the popular vote once since 1958 and that was 1984.

Since then they've only been over 40% once. Same can be said of the other parties due to left leaning voters splitting between liberals and NDP.

Fact is, Canada is a centre to centre left leaning country.
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The Federal Conservatives don't have the support of the vast majority of Canadians and have not had it for most of my lifetime. Any gains they’ve made have largely been low-resolution protest votes against anything left of them, driven by dissatisfaction rather than genuine support.
Vast majority?

No.

More than the other parties? More often than not.

Since 2000 there have been 8 federal elections.

The Conservatives have won the popular vote 5 times.

Next election, regardless of when it occurs, will be 6 of 9.
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Vast majority?



No.



More than the other parties? More often than not.



Since 2000 there have been 8 federal elections.



The Conservatives have won the popular vote 5 times.



Next election, regardless of when it occurs, will be 6 of 9.
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Too bad he lied, he would of been wiped off the map in 2019
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NDP policies are regressive and will harm struggling Canadians more than the Liberals or Conservatives ever could. Their so-called “progressive” policies are a wolf in sheep’s clothing—well-intentioned on the surface but fundamentally destructive. It’s the classic “road to hell is paved with good intentions” scenario, only on an even more damaging scale compared to the other two parties. (bolded to counteract your patented whataboutism)
You’d be hard pressed to defend the position that the only party supporting right to work laws in their party policy are trying to support struggling Canadians or that from an ideological perspective helping those same Canadians with the cost of daycare, dental care or pharmaceuticals is going to do more harm than good for them.

Don’t care much for a lot of policies the NDP put forward that makes it harder to gain support in addressing those issues, but at least it’s on their radars. Can’t really say the same for one if not both of the other major parties.
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Too bad he lied, he would of been wiped off the map in 2019
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I just copy/pasted and changed the party names in Mel's rant about the NDP to show the hypocrisy. But, conservatives have only had 50% of the popular vote once since 1958 and that was 1984.

Since then they've only been over 40% once. Same can be said of the other parties due to left leaning voters splitting between liberals and NDP.

Fact is, Canada is a centre to centre left leaning country.
You sure can squeeze water out of a rock! There is a stark contrast between the Liberal platform and the NDP platform usually. So bunching them together is a bit disgenerous.

Canada is more in the center since the cons and libs battle back and forth. The NDP is a far left party with very little support compared to the other too.

In fact historically it makes more sense to add up the libs/cons and compare it to the NDP
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I thought it was higher, though I guess maybe that means he’s more salt of the earth than the “Maserati driving elite” detractors would have people believe.
I think it has more to do with the image it projects. When you talk about targeting the wealthy and position yourself as the voice of the underprivileged, it doesn’t look good to wear a Rolex and drive luxury vehicles, mimicking the lifestyle of the elites you criticize.

Don’t get me wrong—Maseratis are luxury vehicles. But they’re often seen as the "affordable" option for those wanting to appear wealthy. In fact, the average F-250 work truck you see driving around here costs about the same as that Levante.

So it’s not really about the price of the vehicle; it’s the message that buying and driving something like that sends, especially when it conflicts with the principles you advocate.
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You’d be hard pressed to defend the position that the only party supporting right to work laws in their party policy are trying to support struggling Canadians or that from an ideological perspective helping those same Canadians with the cost of daycare, dental care or pharmaceuticals is going to do more harm than good for them.

Don’t care much for a lot of policies the NDP put forward that makes it harder to gain support in addressing those issues, but at least it’s on their radars. Can’t really say the same for one if not both of the other major parties.

Ok so you like the polcies that might help a small segement of the population, great.

As far being forced to fund unions, no thanks. My salary has more than tripled in the last 10 years. if i was part of union and held to ####ing 3 year contracts i'd be much worse off.

Although in some instances i do see a little value in unions. But for most jobs i don't, plenty of competition, hard/good work and some scarcity goes along way in moving your salary up
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