Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can we stop asking why the NDP isnt calling an election. The answer is obvious and makes logical sense. Singh also gave a very sensible answer to the question.

You’d have to be intentionally ignoring the reasoning to still have this question.

I don’t understand is different then I don’t want to understand.

This is the current NDP / Singh stance from Singh's latest interview.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/why-...-yet-1.7150763

"If there's a vote on the table about retaliatory tariffs to fight back against Trump, versus calling an election in the midst of threats to hundreds of thousands of jobs, I want to make a decision that's in the best interest of Canadians," Singh said.

"I'm not going to speculate on what that decision is now, but I can tell you what I am saying right now, Trump is a real threat. People are worried about their jobs. Trudeau has to go. I'm not going to speculate about what's going to happen months from now. When that happens, I'll make a decision."

Asked what he sees as the downside in pulling support now, Singh said: "Why would I box myself in and say I'm going to do something definitive when we don't know what's going to happen?"

The NDP leader continued to say that he wants to see what transpires over the next few weeks, and will wait until the country has a better sense of what's going on.

"When there's a vote in front of me, I'll make a decision," Singh said. "I'm not going to box myself in. But what I can tell people is there will be an election in 2025 and I'm ready to fight it, and people have an important choice to make."

I mean...whatever excuse they can at this point to prolong the inevitable. It completely makes sense for the NDP to stick around, the same way it makes perfect sense to Trudeau on why he is staying onboard. Clinging to power that you will inevitably lose once the population gets their say in a democratic process is a very tough pill to swallow. In the end its very self serving and a bad look to the outside and irreparably hurting their outlook long-term to those not devoutly supporting the party. I fully understand why the NDP is sticking as long as it can and every reason not to call an election early for short term reasons.

If they want to squeeze out as much as they can before falling deep into irrelevance regardless of how damaging it is to their party good for them...I guess?

[bizaro86]

Singh is trying to get rid of Trudeau without calling an election because the NDP would get destroyed in an election now, but if they keep propping Trudeau up and Trudeau runs in the next election the NDP will get destroyed then because it'll be obvious that the previous year of Trudeau nonsense was their fault.

If the Liberals switch to someone even slightly more palatable soon (which would be basically anyone at this point) he can talk about how he affected change, and since voters have short memories by the fall Trudeau will be less of an issue. That's obviously the best case for him.

The problem is Trudeau resigning isn't the best case for Trudeau, and Singh can't make him resign, all he can do is threaten to force an election. But if Trudeau calls his bluff and doesn't resign he has a tough choice to make. And since it's pretty obvious to Trudeau (and everyone else) that Singh doesn't want an election now for a bunch of reasons, the incentive is pretty clear for Trudeau to call his bluff.

I think the more likely path for Trudeau to resign is for the Liberal caucus to boot him out in hopes of saving their own jobs in the next election.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

I passively follow along in this thread to read political opinions but how are you not banned??. You are an antagonistic A$$hole.

I don't even care if I get banned saying that, you are insulting to anyone who has a difference of opinion to yours. Not one of your takes leads to thoughtful discussion, just mud slinging.

I use the Ignore List. It does leave some holes in the discussion, but all it takes is to briefly un-ignore to appreciate the holes in the discussion. Sadly, you can't ignore quotes in replies, but on a whole, it's better.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Firebot

It wasn't an issue until the Liberals / NDP voted in an election date on the pretense of Diwali that would meet the eligibility criteria for without being re-elected, opening up Singh's own eligibility as a vulnerability. Singh's situation is unique in that he got in via a by-election and is personally impacted with an early election.

2 years ago this was not a topic.

The NDP (and Liberals) have made it a topic with their actions. The NDP have made their bed here.

Poilievre doesn't enter in the conversation as he's been an MP for 20 years.

Pierre enters the conversation with his positions prior to being elected.

It's actually pretty hilarious that PP has been an MP for 20 years, has no accomplishments and no security clearance in all that time.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Firebot

This is the current NDP / Singh stance from Singh's latest interview.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/why-...-yet-1.7150763





I mean...whatever excuse they can at this point to prolong the inevitable. It completely makes sense for the NDP to stick around, the same way it makes perfect sense to Trudeau on why he is staying onboard. Clinging to power that you will inevitably lose once the population gets their say in a democratic process is a very tough pill to swallow. In the end its very self serving and a bad look to the outside and irreparably hurting their outlook long-term to those not devoutly supporting the party. I fully understand why the NDP is sticking as long as it can and every reason not to call an election early for short term reasons.

If they want to squeeze out as much as they can before falling deep into irrelevance regardless of how damaging it is to their party good for them...I guess?

Exactly hence I don’t understand what the NDP is doing is not a real position.

Though I do disagree the position is self serving. The most desired option for the constituency that Singh represents is a minority government without Trudeau as liberal leader. He is currently acting in the manner which is most likely to make that happen (see Bizaros post above)

So what we have here is a group of people feigning ignorance because a person they have no respect for and have continuously held in contempt isn’t helping them accomplish their political goals.

Singhs actions are logical, quite clear, and in the best interest of the constituents that elected him. They also have a low likelihood of success.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

I wish all the 'but Singhs pension' folks cared one iota about pps foreign interfence problems, his lack of a security clearance, his Harper/IDU issues and his slogans instead of actual policies stupidity.

Most posters here who are critical of Singh have also expressed a dislike for all options.

Try looking at politics without having to back a side and choose a team.
They should be working for our approval; not us working to gain others to their approval.
Too many people work harder for politicians than the politicians do for them.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GGG

Exactly hence I don’t understand what the NDP is doing is not a real position.

Though I do disagree the position is self serving. The most desired option for the constituency that Singh represents is a minority government without Trudeau as liberal leader. He is currently acting in the manner which is most likely to make that happen (see Bizaros post above)

So what we have here is a group of people feigning ignorance because a person they have no respect for and have continuously held in contempt isn’t helping them accomplish their political goals.

Singhs actions are logical, quite clear, and in the best interest of the constituents that elected him. They also have a low likelihood of success.

I think this is the part people get hung up on. Basically what Singh's doing isn't very likely to work. At best it buys time for someone else to boot Trudeau, but he can't. And at some point he should probably face up to that - if the Liberals are really keeping Trudeau it's almost certainly better for him if he can say he's the one who forced the election vs waiting around until the fall like a lame duck when he'll have to wear being a Trudeau-enabler and go down with him. Right now he'd get a lot of centerist-but-hate-Trudeau votes.

There's always some point where when things get so improbable it makes sense to pivot to your next best solution.

My dream job is MLB shortstop. But I'm a late-30s office worker, so that isn't happening. It would be crazy for me to put time/effort into that goal. Singh isn't there yet with this, but if Freeland quitting and dumping Trudeau under the bus didn't do it I think (by analogy) Singh just got cut from his college team after going undrafted.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Singh is trying to get rid of Trudeau without calling an election because the NDP would get destroyed in an election now, but if they keep propping Trudeau up and Trudeau runs in the next election the NDP will get destroyed then because it'll be obvious that the previous year of Trudeau nonsense was their fault.

If the Liberals switch to someone even slightly more palatable soon (which would be basically anyone at this point) he can talk about how he affected change, and since voters have short memories by the fall Trudeau will be less of an issue. That's obviously the best case for him.

The problem is Trudeau resigning isn't the best case for Trudeau, and Singh can't make him resign, all he can do is threaten to force an election. But if Trudeau calls his bluff and doesn't resign he has a tough choice to make. And since it's pretty obvious to Trudeau (and everyone else) that Singh doesn't want an election now for a bunch of reasons, the incentive is pretty clear for Trudeau to call his bluff.

I think the more likely path for Trudeau to resign is for the Liberal caucus to boot him out in hopes of saving their own jobs in the next election.

Liberal caucus cannot boot out Trudeau, there's no mechanism in the party to do so. The only time party members get to vote on their leader is if a leader dies, resigns or contests an election in which they fail to “become or continue to be the Prime Minister.” So it's totally up to him.

Also if Singh topples the government right after qualifying for a pension, it would look bad even if it shouldn't be an issue.

[curves2000]

I actually find it comical that people don't think that Singh is waiting around for the pension but this latest crisis does make things a little harder for him to deflect that notion. An election should have been called earlier, Trudeau should have stepped down sooner and an unpopular opinion, those MP's with pretty much 6 years service should qualify.

The issue we have here isn't wither PP, Singh or Trudeau earned their pensions, it's pretty clear that leaders of Government get their pensions, their benefits, their envelopes for various frauds and kickbacks. That all comes with the roles and it goes for everybody!

You can tell who's beyond bias when defending what is actually going on, which is Singh is probably delaying for pension purposes as a major factor. I actually say give it to him and let's move on, as with the other MP's if the election was going to be called in the fall.

People who actually deny what is without a doubt clear as day, are beyond political bias and don't actually know just how great of a pension MP's get. A MAX Canadian pension for CPP and OAS actually pays for J*** S**** Not even a 1 bedroom apartment for a senior . We have MP's from all political parties who try exceedingly hard in order to get into office for an MP pension.

Singh is pretty much a fairly new MP and he will qualify for a pension in 9 years. I don't fault them, I envy them! 6 years in and you can collect a pension. If you live to 90, you can collect for 35 years after paying into it for 6 years from a taxpayer funded job.

This rumored cabinet shuffle tomorrow is designed for income boosts for good MP's (and pension contributions) who have been left out of the party for a while, an opportunity to boost their post MP careers with a nice resume boost and let someone else dip into gold pot and wet their beak a little bit. I highly doubt this is designed for the new cabinet to turn things around politically.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think this is the part people get hung up on. Basically what Singh's doing isn't very likely to work. At best it buys time for someone else to boot Trudeau, but he can't. And at some point he should probably face up to that - if the Liberals are really keeping Trudeau it's almost certainly better for him if he can say he's the one who forced the election vs waiting around until the fall like a lame duck when he'll have to wear being a Trudeau-enabler and go down with him. Right now he'd get a lot of centerist-but-hate-Trudeau votes.

There's always some point where when things get so improbable it makes sense to pivot to your next best solution.

My dream job is MLB shortstop. But I'm a late-30s office worker, so that isn't happening. It would be crazy for me to put time/effort into that goal. Singh isn't there yet with this, but if Freeland quitting and dumping Trudeau under the bus didn't do it I think (by analogy) Singh just got cut from his college team after going undrafted.

I don’t think we have seen the full affect of this last resignation. Much like the debate was the end of Bidens candidacy it took 2 weeks or so for political mechanisms to take place. Trudeau is in the hope it gets better phase / angry he was put maneuvered.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I actually find it comical that people don't think that Singh is waiting around for the pension but this latest crisis does make things a little harder for him to deflect that notion. An election should have been called earlier, Trudeau should have stepped down sooner and an unpopular opinion, those MP's with pretty much 6 years service should qualify.

The issue we have here isn't wither PP, Singh or Trudeau earned their pensions, it's pretty clear that leaders of Government get their pensions, their benefits, their envelopes for various frauds and kickbacks. That all comes with the roles and it goes for everybody!

You can tell who's beyond bias when defending what is actually going on, which is Singh is probably delaying for pension purposes as a major factor. I actually say give it to him and let's move on, as with the other MP's if the election was going to be called in the fall.

People who actually deny what is without a doubt clear as day, are beyond political bias and don't actually know just how great of a pension MP's get. A MAX Canadian pension for CPP and OAS actually pays for J*** S**** Not even a 1 bedroom apartment for a senior . We have MP's from all political parties who try exceedingly hard in order to get into office for an MP pension.

Singh is pretty much a fairly new MP and he will qualify for a pension in 9 years. I don't fault them, I envy them! 6 years in and you can collect a pension. If you live to 90, you can collect for 35 years after paying into it for 6 years from a taxpayer funded job.

This rumored cabinet shuffle tomorrow is designed for income boosts for good MP's (and pension contributions) who have been left out of the party for a while, an opportunity to boost their post MP careers with a nice resume boost and let someone else dip into gold pot and wet their beak a little bit. I highly doubt this is designed for the new cabinet to turn things around politically.

You know the value of his pension right? And you know his net worth? When you keep repeating PP’s mantra about this, how so you reconcile this in your mind? Yeah, that sounds probably a killer pension for you, but for somebody with a lot of assets before even going into politics, it seems a bit puny.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don’t think we have seen the full affect of this last resignation. Much like the debate was the end of Bidens candidacy it took 2 weeks or so for political mechanisms to take place. Trudeau is in the hope it gets better phase / angry he was put maneuvered.

Yep.
That, and Trudeau is a grinch! No way he gives Canadians the Christmas gift of him stepping down.

/g.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Singh is trying to get rid of Trudeau without calling an election because the NDP would get destroyed in an election now, but if they keep propping Trudeau up and Trudeau runs in the next election the NDP will get destroyed then because it'll be obvious that the previous year of Trudeau nonsense was their fault.

If the Liberals switch to someone even slightly more palatable soon (which would be basically anyone at this point) he can talk about how he affected change, and since voters have short memories by the fall Trudeau will be less of an issue. That's obviously the best case for him.

The problem is Trudeau resigning isn't the best case for Trudeau, and Singh can't make him resign, all he can do is threaten to force an election. But if Trudeau calls his bluff and doesn't resign he has a tough choice to make. And since it's pretty obvious to Trudeau (and everyone else) that Singh doesn't want an election now for a bunch of reasons, the incentive is pretty clear for Trudeau to call his bluff.

I think the more likely path for Trudeau to resign is for the Liberal caucus to boot him out in hopes of saving their own jobs in the next election.

That strategy hasn't really helped the NDP over the last 6 months.

If anything they have done worse.

The problem is Singh is a terrible leader, hypocrite, Trudeau boot licker, etc. He is fooling nobody except the most delusional NDP supporters.

If they NDP got rid of him and got a leader that was simply not Singh, they would immediately do better.

So not sure how any of this is helping the NDP. Maybe its helping Singh get his pension though.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You know the value of his pension right? And you know his net worth? When you keep repeating PP’s mantra about this, how so you reconcile this in your mind? Yeah, that sounds probably a killer pension for you, but for somebody with a lot of assets before even going into politics, it seems a bit puny.

Let's forget about politics for a moment, rich people love government money. The wealthiest people in the world collect their pensions and rightfully so! There is nothing wrong with collecting a pension you have paid into! Hell I even said let's give it to him.

We aren't talking about total peanuts here pension wise, his total payments could be $1+ million upwards to potentially $2+ million. He has a young wife who could collect a pension even longer based upon actuarial norms.

I know that Sigh is wealth off, good on him! People who think that him collecting a pension isn't factored into his calculations aren't being logical. He holds the cards. If not like he is calling for an election? Why would he not want to collect a pension?

You may think that his pension is puny vs his assets but the question becomes, why does he collect a party leader salary vs local mp? Off the top of my head I think Singh collects approx $70k more and PP collect $100k more than an MP. I don't fault the man but he clearly is interested in getting paid and what is owed to him. Nothing wrong with that!

I have no issues with MP's of all stripes taking the salary, the pension and everything that comes with it. These people earn some of these things when they get elected. Pretending that Singh has zero interest in collecting it is nonsense. Why would he not wait the 60 days or whatever? It's not like he is being headhunted while as an MP for a very very lucrative salary now/today and he is saying no, so he can collect his MP pension.

Forget about what PP has to say for a minute and think, why does an MP who serves only 6 years collect such a large pension when Canadians end up with something that is pathetic? It's not that the rules are different for different MP's, all these PIGS have the same noses and they are getting rich off your's and everybody else's back.

Your trying to argue that if you were offered a 6 year term at your employer, you would say no to a few million in payments for years or that wouldn't factor into your calculations? I assume you would and good on you but Singh wouldn't? Is he really that stupid?

[GGG]

The NPV is 500k. Thats all that matters saying things like he could collect x dollars if he lives to 90 is designed to make the number sound really large and also indicates the sourcing for your opinion on this topic.

[MelBridgeman]

Jagmeet Singh is just your typical Champaigne Socialist Trust Fund Baby. who enjoys other peoples money. Just another trained lawyer who realized, that lawyers actually have to work hard...time for politics.

He is entitled to his pension cause those are the stupid rules but it's not a good look.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by GGG

The NPV is 500k. Thats all that matters saying things like he could collect x dollars if he lives to 90 is designed to make the number sound really large and also indicates the sourcing for your opinion on this topic.

I mean I guess that could be true, it does apply to Canadian's all the time. They work their entire lives, die before collecting a cent and then get a crappy $2500 death benefit. If they die the day after collecting it, it get's reduced significantly to the spouse.

Personally I believe Canadian's should be allowed to collect the full amount of their pension, passed onto the spouse or common law partner. Other carve outs should occur for people who die much earlier than anticipated.

Back to MP pensions and Singh: Sure his NPV is approx half a million, not nothing. But if he and the wife did live until Canadian average, he would be collecting a couple of million. If you are planning for your retirement, no matter who you are, you take those calculations into consideration.

This isn't an anti Singh pension thing. Give it to him! Pretending this isn't a factor isn't true. Every single poster here would take the exact same deal! Hell my Conservative MP who was a provincial cabinet minister told me straight up. He wanted a federal MP pension and stuck around exactly 6 years. Exact words "You know people who don't cash chq's?" This isn't rooted in the NDP or Singh or whomever. All PIGS have the same noses

[shotinthebacklund]

The NDP and Singh's recent action has done nothing to boost the polling of the NDP. I have seen two MSM sources interview Singh in last two days and both a extremely critical of Singh for his inaction. The only direction the NDP are going in polling is down.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You know the value of his pension right? And you know his net worth? When you keep repeating PP’s mantra about this, how so you reconcile this in your mind? Yeah, that sounds probably a killer pension for you, but for somebody with a lot of assets before even going into politics, it seems a bit puny.

From what I could find on Google, he has a net worth of $2 million. That's not outlandish for a man in his mid-40s. Collecting $60,000 for life if you lose your job seems like something you'd want to hold onto.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Yep.
That, and Trudeau is a grinch! No way he gives Canadians the Christmas gift of him stepping down.

/g.

Why don't the Cons for a present and not put up a reprehensible piece of kyit deplorable leader every election......

But, but we have to own libtards! lol


and i mean seriously. Does no-license insurance Salesman Scheer really deserve a pension?