Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ped

Trudeau's numbers have been in the toilet. It's pretty clear people have lost confidence in him, to a point they're willing to swing to a guy who they never would vote for before in PP. So if you're an LPC strategist, what's the harm in turfing Trudeau and seeing if you can't give some of those disenfranchised voters back to your side, or at least to vote?



Giving up is a terrible election strategy. There's probably a fair amount of people who can't vote for any one of these idiots. Why not try?

There's no harm in doing that and they might get a bounce, but first of all, who would they put in as a leader that could separate the Libs from the current disenfranchised Canadians and Trudeau's leadership?


Second of all, the sentiments around the Liberals are pretty toxic. The party needs a serious rebuild and seperation from that entire cabinet.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Slava

Yeah that’s a flawed metric. The US TARP package during that crisis was only about $745bn. That’s child play compared to the numbers thrown around these days.

To me the more concerning number is that the Liberals had their own $40bn “guardrail” and tacked on 50% to that figure. I’m also curious about whether anyone can reasonably account for where all this money has been spent.



I know you mean the CPC, but they’re so similar that I don’t want anyone to correct you.

Did you read the press releases? It identifies exactly where the overrun was.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

They knew this was coming years ago. Unless Freeland is completely stupid this would have been part of her Guardrails strategy.

Like anyone budgeting that knows that a major payment is coming that year.

The question would be in what bed get year was this expense planned to occur? Do you have any links to details around it. I’ve looked a bit but haven’t found anything.

[CaptainCrunch]

Polls close in the Cloverdale by election which was called due to the resignation of Lib MP John Aldag

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Ped

Trudeau's numbers have been in the toilet. It's pretty clear people have lost confidence in him, to a point they're willing to swing to a guy who they never would vote for before in PP. So if you're an LPC strategist, what's the harm in turfing Trudeau and seeing if you can't give some of those disenfranchised voters back to your side, or at least to vote?



Giving up is a terrible election strategy. There's probably a fair amount of people who can't vote for any one of these idiots. Why not try?

This would have been a strategy a couple months ago; maybe even weeks ago.
But after today?

We aren't in the Liberals can win back some votes conversation anymore. We're in the it will only get worse if they go longer conversation.
Giving up is stopping the bleeding.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Holy #### at $16 billion in indigenous payout too though.

We need to redefine that conversation and relationship.

It probably has to do with this one..

Final settlement agreement on Compensation and Agreement-in-Principle for long-term reform of First Nations Child and Family Services and Jordan's Principle

https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/164694.../1646942693297

The October rejection may have required a high level of payout contingency to be put on the books. I have no actual clue, but this payout is in realm of $50B, so adding 30% more contingent on settling makes sense.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Holy #### at $16 billion in indigenous payout too though.

We need to redefine that conversation and relationship.

How do you do that outside stacking the SCC to overturn a few decades of precedents.

Originally Posted by Azure

Racist.

We should really just continue giving blank cheques because its been working so well up till now.

Court payouts and blank cheques aren't the same thing.

Lib/Con/NDP are all having to pay these out

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

This would have been a strategy a couple months ago; maybe even weeks ago.
But after today?

We aren't in the Liberals can win back some votes conversation anymore. We're in the it will only get worse if they go longer conversation.
Giving up is stopping the bleeding.

They’ve endured a lot worse than today, so this kind of seems like wishful thinking. Trudeau is going to wear this and he’s going to attempt to make Freeland wear it.

Wherever it lands won’t really matter if they look outside the immediate confines of this cabinet.

People are forgetting that an election is almost a year away. That’s basically a lifetime.

[CaptainCrunch]

The question would be in what bed get year was this expense planned to occur? Do you have any links to details around it. I’ve looked a bit but haven’t found anything.

I don't have links to it, and I don't feel like going through a hall of mirrors tonight.


I have a question for the smart people on this board, and you are one of them.


This has been floating since 2019 or before. Shouldn't there have been a resettlement fund that put this aside?


Freeland knew this was coming, and its not a small chunk of change, it should have been part of the guardrail.


The NDP had an MP on CBC news and he stated that the NDP won't vote to topple the government until the end of Feb, which is a strange statement when you consider that Singh's pension vests on Feb 25th.

[CaptainCrunch]

Sorry it was Peter Julian on CBC.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by chemgear

This federal government is basically setting up the next government with an economic #### sandwich that'll take a decade at least to start to fix.

Reminiscent of the mess the last time a Trudeau left government.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1868810882375204959

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Are you talking about Randy? Or are you talking about Randy?

I should have clarified, a third Liberal has been claiming to be indigenous, even though they aren’t. Madison Fleischer

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They’ve endured a lot worse than today, so this kind of seems like wishful thinking. Trudeau is going to wear this and he’s going to attempt to make Freeland wear it.

Wherever it lands won’t really matter if they look outside the immediate confines of this cabinet.

People are forgetting that an election is almost a year away. That’s basically a lifetime.

I really don't know where on earth you get some of these things, it's over for Trudeau and the Liberals for the time being. You literally have every single opposition party saying it's over, political analysts and experts saying it's over, you have large volumes of Liberal team members publicly saying it's over, you have a lot of Liberals privately saying it's over, you have Canadian's across the board saying it's over, you have Trudeau's wife saying it's over.

What on earth would the strategy be going forward? Literally 40+ million Canadian's know it's over except for you and Trudeau. What type of runway does he and the Liberal party actually have? I am so intrigued at what you would advise the PMO and the Liberal party on on how to navigate this with a level of success for them and Canada. The suggestion box is wide open.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its not likely that Madison will take her place in the house, it looks like she's heading to destruction in the byelection.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1868810882375204959

She would know. Her head is so far up his ass she can see the hamster on the wheel.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Well, there was one fantastic piece of news that came out today. It's not all doom and gloom. This is lonnnnnnnggggg overdude.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1868799584786694467

[Locke]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1868810882375204959

How come every time something bad happens to this guy he goes on Holidays?

Its like a bad SNL skit.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I really don't know where on earth you get some of these things, it's over for Trudeau and the Liberals for the time being. You literally have every single opposition party saying it's over, political analysts and experts saying it's over, you have large volumes of Liberal team members publicly saying it's over, you have a lot of Liberals privately saying it's over, you have Canadian's across the board saying it's over, you have Trudeau's wife saying it's over.

What on earth would the strategy be going forward? Literally 40+ million Canadian's know it's over except for you and Trudeau. What type of runway does he and the Liberal party actually have? I am so intrigued at what you would advise the PMO and the Liberal party on on how to navigate this with a level of success for them and Canada. The suggestion box is wide open.

What on earth are you talking about?

We’re discussing the party’s chances if they boot Trudeau and attempt a reset of the party ahead of the next election.

[Ped]

Exactly. Everyone is talking as if the election is tomorrow. It's not. I think a lot of Canadians just need someone to vote for, and they don't have it. PP is not going anywhere yet unfortunately, but both the Libs and NDP need to turf their leaders sooner rather than later, rather than wait for the bloodpath. Show people you're at least willing to change things up.



There are a ton of people who won't vote for the CPC if they feel they have any alternative, and right now they don't. Why throw up your hands and say you're doomed? If you're already doomed, why not at least try it? Get someone new in the Liberal party to say Trudeau lost sight of his goals, blah blah blah. Get someone new to say Jagmeet messed up by threatening and never following through, and we're here to do things a new way. How many people actually saw the Layton breakthrough coming?