2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yikes, no I wouldn't bank on that if I was Conroy. He's been all about young, cost controlled players if he's acquiring. I wouldn't want him relying on a player liking his situation and the city more than the chance to test free agency in order to retain past one more season after spending significant assets to acquire him.

That's poor, risky management this early on in a rebuild, imo.

If he was a cost controlled guy having an impact - he wouldn't be available.
That risk was there when Florida acquired Sam. If we think the Flames should try and find their own deals like that - this is what it looks like.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Friedman from this morning (his own speculation, not a rumor):

Elias Pettersen to Buffalo for Cozens and Byram.

And rightfully was called out immediately by his producer and Kyle.


It's just not a trade you can make if you're Vancouver. No matter what your opinion of him is, you need to get more than a second line center and a what is currently oft injured second paring dman (I'm sorry Bowen, you're still the best ever in my heart). He's a 26 year old ppg defensively responsible centerman who has had one great play-off when healthy and one putrid play-off when hurt.

This being said, it does feel like something big is coming. While I am not excited at the prospect, it does feel like the Canucks are on the cusp of dealing what is considered a big part of the core.

[transplant99]

Kerins issue to getting NHL time is his play away from the puck.

Don't know if that has improved or not, but Conroy watches the Wranglers all the time so would have first hand knowledge on it.

The fact the Flames are desperate for a young C (or 3) to insert in the line up and he is literally just down the hall, does not need to clear waivers if sent back down, and is leading the A in scoring after 2 months of play, but remains where he is....tells you all you need to know about how the organization feels about him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Kerins issue to getting NHL time is his play away from the puck.

Don't know if that has improved or not, but Conroy watches the Wranglers all the time so would have first hand knowledge on it.

The fact the Flames are desperate for a young C (or 3) to insert in the line up and he is literally just down the hall, does not need to clear waivers if sent back down, and is leading the A in scoring after 2 months of play, but remains where he is....tells you all you need to know about how the organization feels about him.

I think there is some of that.

But I also think the organization has asked him to work on a lot of things (fitness, play away from the puck, etc) and it's been a bit of a work in progress for him that's just showing the potential now in his 3rd pro season.

I think a big reason he hasn't been called up yet is that this is the first season he's playing big minutes in the AHL as top line center (he was mostly 4th line / scratch last season) and they are going to give him at least 40 games in that role before calling him up.

Another part of the problem too is they have too many wingers that they almost have to play one of Zary / Pospisil / Sharangovich at center or their top 9 is all wonky.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

That would make a ton of sense for both teams.

Pettersen is a loser and deserves to play for Buffalo.

That's a terrible deal for the Sabres. Hey, let's trade two good young players for a guy making 11.6M and is a no show in the playoffs every year. I get the Sabres never make the playoffs but when they finally do you don't really want a guy making that kind of dough that is dog crap under pressure

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That's a terrible deal for the Sabres. Hey, let's trade two good young players for a guy making 11.6M and is a no show in the playoffs every year. I get the Sabres never make the playoffs but when they finally do you don't really want a guy making that kind of dough that is dog crap under pressure

I think they'd be thrilled just to make it at this point.

[SuperMatt18]

Pettersson is being undervalued here for what's been a poor 8 months of play.

He was poor last playoffs but was point per game the time before that.

Cozens + Byram for him would be a great deal for Buffalo

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

and is a no show in the playoffs every year.

Except for the year he was over a ppg in the play-offs... of the two times he's made the play-offs.

Sabres would jump at that deal. Canucks aren't that desperate to change things.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Except for the year he was over a ppg in the play-offs... of the two times he's made the play-offs.

Sabres would jump at that deal. Canucks aren't that desperate to change things.

To play devils advocate he only played well in the playoffs when there was less pressure and no fans in the stands.

I think it would be a pretty bad trade for Vancouver though as I like what Pettersson brings to the table and am not that high on Byram so the drop off from Pettersson to Cozens is not worth it.

Pettersson must have a NMC so doubt he waives for Buffalo less than a year into his monster 8 year contract

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Kerins issue to getting NHL time is his play away from the puck.

Don't know if that has improved or not, but Conroy watches the Wranglers all the time so would have first hand knowledge on it.

The fact the Flames are desperate for a young C (or 3) to insert in the line up and he is literally just down the hall, does not need to clear waivers if sent back down, and is leading the A in scoring after 2 months of play, but remains where he is....tells you all you need to know about how the organization feels about him.

I don't think that's fair at all.

The player was certainly on the B or even C prospect list coming into the season. It looks like he's had a good off season, improved his fitness and play away from the puck, which I'm sure they've noticed.

But a reluctance to break up that momentum by promoting him too soon isn't proof of the organization being down on the player at all.

That's a huge leap.

[CroCop]

Man if Bysie is available again I’d love the Flames to try and take crack at him. He still has #1 potential. Not a huge fan of Cozens though. Would anyone be in favour of Ras for Bo straight up.

[Yeah_Baby]

Man, I knew stuff in BUF was bad, but I didn't realize it was THIS bad.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

... and is a no show in the playoffs every year.

He's been great in the playoffs every year, except one year when he played injured.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Man, I knew stuff in BUF was bad, but I didn't realize it was THIS bad.

Them and Ottawa are just perpetual tire fires at this point.

[D as in David]

Here is a ranking of the Flames' forwards top speed and league percentile using NHL's EDGE stats. I included some non-Flames for reference. For any stats under the 50th percentile, I had to estimate the actual percentage from the graph. Some notes:

• Only 5 forwards are at the 50th percentile or above.
• Kakko would be the 3rd slowest forward on the Flames roster. (Klapka's number might be hindered by a small sample size, Pelletier's too).

M. Pospisil 24.06, 99
R. Lomberg 22.77, 84
M. Coronata 22.56, 77
W. Duehr 22.34, 67
C. Zary 22.01, 50
J. Kirkland 21.84. 45
M. Backlund 21.85, 40
K. Rooney 21.76. 35
Y. Sharangovich 21.63, 35
N. Kadri 21.59. 30
J. Huberdeau 21.52. 25
S. Honzek 21.32. 25
B. Coleman 21.23. 20
J. Pelletier 21.13. 15
K. Kakko 21.09. 15
A. Klapka 21.07. 15
A. Kuzmenko 20.35. 5

C. McDavid 23.85. 99
J. Norris 23.76. 98
N. MacKinnon 23.16. 95
M. Rossi 22.81. 85
R. Greig 22.55. 77
D. Cozens 22.21. 61
S. Pinto 22.06. 52
M. McTavish 21.49. 30

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Them and Ottawa are just perpetual tire fires at this point.

And Detroit

In all those teams cases I think playing in that division doesn't help matters but they've made a lot of bad decisions too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ex-buffalo-sa...ting-1.2221125

Ruff, saying he has never had a situation like this. They should fire him and Adams.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Them and Ottawa are just perpetual tire fires at this point.

I actually think the Sens have turned the corner myself....this after watching them a few times the last couple weeks.

Im guessing they make the playoffs this year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And Detroit

In all those teams cases I think playing in that division doesn't help matters but they've made a lot of bad decisions too.

My fear is we end up like Detroit, not bottoming out and getting some stars in the draft. Instead, we wander around in no man's land, draft some good players to stay in no man's land.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ex-buffalo-sa...ting-1.2221125

Ruff, saying he has never had a situation like this. They should fire him and Adams.

Yeah because what they need is MORE organizational instability.

Buffalo has the 5th lowest payroll in the league. Adams has been building the team (with this being his 4th season), including a bottoming out drafting 1st Overall after Season 1 (in Draft #2 for him).

The Sabres situation is only dire if you look a larger window of time than you actually should be looking at.

They have some structural issues (no #1 centre, because the organization poisoned their relationship with the one they had). They're on pace to draft Top-5, and that's exactly what they need at this stage. After they draft another centre, then they can go get aggressive about their immediate needs.

The most Buffalo Sabres thing they could do right now is panic prematurely. The owner should be going to Montreal to help tell the players that they're all in this together, and they're building something. Everything else is just useless noise.