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Old 12-13-2024, 06:55 AM   #4221
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I don't think anyone should be declaring McTavish damaged goods just yet. 43 points in his rookie season. Followed it up with 42 points in only 64 games last year. ONly 11 points in 22 games this year, but the Ducks as a whole are having trouble scoring. Other than Troy Terry, no player has more than 14 points. Terry leads the team with 8 goals. After Terry's 14, the next highest assists is - McTavish ( and Ryan Strome). There are clearly issues in Anaheim and I doubt they are McTavish.
We are talking about a 21 year old center with seasons of 17 and 19 goals in the NHL already. It's madness that some posters don't think this guy is worth a 1st round pick. There's no guarantee of hitting a player like this with a top 5 pick for crying out loud. He's worth a lot more than many here seem to think and the Flames should be all over acquiring him if he's actually available as he's exactly the type of player missing in the organization's prospect base.
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We are talking about a 21 year old center with seasons of 17 and 19 goals in the NHL already. It's madness that some posters don't think this guy is worth a 1st round pick. There's no guarantee of hitting a player like this with a top 5 pick for crying out loud. He's worth a lot more than many here seem to think and the Flames should be all over acquiring him if he's actually available as he's exactly the type of player missing in the organization's prospect base.
I would do a package of multiple picks if it could get it done. New Jersey first, our second and one of the Vancouver 3rds would be something I would look at. Maybe even throw in one of the dmen down on the farm not named Bru. I just would not move one of our own young prospects like Zary or Coronato or anyone from the 2024 draft.
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I would do a package of multiple picks if it could get it done. New Jersey first, our second and one of the Vancouver 3rds would be something I would look at. Maybe even throw in one of the dmen down on the farm not named Bru. I just would not move one of our own young prospects like Zary or Coronato or anyone from the 2024 draft.
Well, if that’s the case, I think the Flames might need to ask themselves, how bad to we want a C?

Bear in mind, for one reason or another this team hasn’t been able to draft and develop one since 2015. Prior to that it was 2007. Basically, 2-3 top 6 C’s per decade.

If they’re going to make a trade for a 21/22 year old C with top 6 upside, it won’t come cheap. I think it’s going to cost more than a collection of picks and/or aging vets. It’s going to cost a prospect, like Bru or Honzek, or a young player in the NHL now, Zary or Coronato.

If they’re Glames think McTavish is a guy who can hit his potential here, I would also have any of the 2024 picks on the table not named Parekh.
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Old 12-13-2024, 08:20 AM   #4224
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Have the ducks soured on McTavish that much already? Seems a bit surprising to me.

With Jiricek there was word for sometime it wasn’t working well with the BJ’s. Different situations/people/organizations, I know but I wonder if McTavish’s name getting out there is a motivation tactic? Are the Ducks really all that close to trading him?

Just my best guess but given the Ducks have been rebuilding as long as they have I’m not sure if more picks is really what they would want. A player close to the same age in a Byram-Middlestat type move, I think, that has more credence here. I’d be surprised if they had much interest in assets that are not yet in the NHL.

The Ducks are a bit strange though. They seem to let things fester. Zegras and Gibson to name two. Conroy, on the other hand, if a player doesn’t want to be here, they’ll be moved out. He has made that much pretty clear.
Yeah no idea. On one hand this doesn't seem to have a lot of smoke to it. It feels like the rumor about a week ago that Larkin asked for a trade. nothing to it.

On the other hand Verbeek is weird and seems to be willing to ship out guys that weren't his picks.
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Meanwhile, those same fans are probably excited about Coronato's progression haha
Yeah, the same people who wouldn't trade a late 1st for McTavush wouldn't trade Coronato for a late 1st.
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Old 12-13-2024, 08:25 AM   #4226
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I would do a package of multiple picks if it could get it done. New Jersey first, our second and one of the Vancouver 3rds would be something I would look at. Maybe even throw in one of the dmen down on the farm not named Bru. I just would not move one of our own young prospects like Zary or Coronato or anyone from the 2024 draft.

Coronato is an easy swap IMO
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Old 12-13-2024, 08:28 AM   #4227
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Well, if that’s the case, I think the Flames might need to ask themselves, how bad to we want a C?

Bear in mind, for one reason or another this team hasn’t been able to draft and develop one since 2015. Prior to that it was 2007. Basically, 2-3 top 6 C’s per decade.

If they’re going to make a trade for a 21/22 year old C with top 6 upside, it won’t come cheap. I think it’s going to cost more than a collection of picks and/or aging vets. It’s going to cost a prospect, like Bru or Honzek, or a young player in the NHL now, Zary or Coronato.

If they’re Glames think McTavish is a guy who can hit his potential here, I would also have any of the 2024 picks on the table not named Parekh.
I would think, center position or lack of.

Is Conroy's number 1 objective to fix,

Drafting will be difficult, simply there are likely not low enough in the standings to address this.

Flames won't make a terrible move, however this type of trade is very difficult in my view.

Could take awhile
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I wonder if Honzek+NJ 1st+ Col 2nd would be something the Ducks would have interest in for McTavish? Honzek has had some injury issues as well but is a really solid prospect.

The trade tree would then be Honzek, Markstrom, and Mangiapane for Bahl and McTavish.
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Old 12-13-2024, 09:06 AM   #4229
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I would do Brzustewicz and the FLA 1st for McTavish, since we have Parekh.

Wouldn't enjoy giving up on Brzustewicz, but would do it for McTavish

And that would make the Lindholm trade:

McTavish, Kuzmenko, Jurmo, Jamieson +1st (Gridin) - 1st
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It'd be too bad to see Hunter go before we saw what he is at this level, but I'd also not have to spell his last name which would be a bonus.
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Old 12-13-2024, 09:09 AM   #4231
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I would do Brzustewicz and the FLA 1st for McTavish, since we have Parekh.

Wouldn't enjoy giving up on Brzustewicz, but would do it for McTavish

And that would make the Lindholm trade:

McTavish, Kuzmenko, Jurmo, Jamieson +1st (Gridin) - 1st
Everyone would except the Ducks
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What? no...Flames could trade Kadri and easily get a first with retention for multiple years.

Florida won't trade Bennett though even if he is just their "rental" this year. You only get so many kicks at the can
I think people are vastly overvaluing Kadri given age, term and dollars.

I’ll believe he’s worth a first when I see it. Not buying that, personally.
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Kadri would probably get a 1st with heavy retention and 10 teams teams he'd waive for. If he is deadset on two teams then I think he just plays out his contract here.
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I would think, center position or lack of.

Is Conroy's number 1 objective to fix,

Drafting will be difficult, simply there are likely not low enough in the standings to address this.

Flames won't make a terrible move, however this type of trade is very difficult in my view.

Could take awhile
If McTavish is available, you can be sure there will be several teams who would be more than interested.

You’re likely right that this is a move that could take a while, if at all. Verbeek, evidently, is in no hurry to move Zegras or Gibson.
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Old 12-13-2024, 09:34 AM   #4235
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Everyone would except the Ducks
All due respect, but you don’t know that. You don’t know what Anaheim might or might not do.

You could say ‘I don’t believe the Ducks would do that’. That would be a reasonable opinion.
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Everyone would except the Ducks
I am not sure honzek bruz and 1st will get done tbh
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I wonder if Honzek+NJ 1st+ Col 2nd would be something the Ducks would have interest in for McTavish? Honzek has had some injury issues as well but is a really solid prospect.

The trade tree would then be Honzek, Markstrom, and Mangiapane for Bahl and McTavish.
I think maybe Pospisil instead of the second?
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Let’s all remember that a late first, which only a contending team would do for a Kadri could very well be a klimchuk, Emile Poirier, for the most part picks in the 24-32 range have a higher percentage of being nothing burgers than quality long term NHL’ers.
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I am not sure honzek bruz and 1st will get done tbh
No way the Flames do that - way too much
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I think it's going to have to be Coronato. Don't really know if we have the piece they're looking for though. Might be a cozens-mctavish swap type of situation.
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