2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by d as in david

florida might covet brady from ottawa.

soft tampering!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Anaheim has been as poorly run a franchise as there is in the league so maybe that red flag isn’t as massive as you think?

Oh c'mon, what are you talking about?

They're just timing the John Gibson trade perfectly. When they finally trade him when he's 43 years old, and retired, the return will be spot on.

They know a thing or two about what it takes to...exist.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would be more open to McTavish over a Dylan Lindholm. But not an overpayment.

We are rebuilding. We need to be drafting and drafting a lot. It's not like they are coming into a great situation here either.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I am not against the idea. But he is also a 40 point player. I don't think it needs a +++.

Pospisil and a the NJD 1st would be ok. Add in a throw in like a Miramanov or something.

The 2nd is the "overpay to get it done addition"

Pospisil + Kuznetsov + 2025 NJD 1st might be enough but I feel like another team could beat that.

To me Pospisil + Kuznetsov + 2025 NJD 1st feels like a "start the car" scenario, so I think that's why you need the other pick.

But I also could be undervaluing Pospisil's trade value here, since 25 year old gritty wingers that can play on pretty much any line in your lineup and are among the fastest skaters in the NHL are hard to come by too.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh c'mon, what are you talking about?

They're just timing the John Gibson trade perfectly. When they finally trade him when he's 43 years old, and retired, the return will be spot on.

They know a thing or two about what it takes to...exist.

They've fractured the relationship with Zegras to the point where he's almost worthless in a trade too, and neither side want to deal with one another.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Florida might covet Brady from Ottawa.

Ottawa isn’t going to trade Tkachuk for Bennett. That’d be brutal for them

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The 2nd is the "overpay to get it done addition"

Pospisil + Kuznetsov + 2025 NJD 1st might be enough but I feel like another team could beat that.

To me Pospisil + Kuznetsov + 2025 NJD 1st feels like a "start the car" scenario, so I think that's why you need the other pick.

But I also could be undervaluing Pospisil's trade value here, since 25 year old gritty wingers that can play on pretty much any line in your lineup and are among the fastest skaters in the NHL are hard to come by too.

I don't think so. I think the time to sell high on Pospisil has passed by - and now he's just a player that we hope can become more than what he currently is (but accepting that this may be what he is, which is good). Posipisil has undeniably softened his game this season, and that likely took a decent amount of value off him. Still a good player, but I think the momentum behind the train of thought that he was an emerging all-league pest has subsided to a degree.

I think you're right in thinking that 2025 NJD 1st + Kuznetsov + Pospisil would be a slam dunk. I'm generally of the mind "you have the picks, make them" - but a 21 year old centre taken 3rd overall 3 years ago? Yeah, I do that all day.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They've fractured the relationship with Zegras to the point where he's almost worthless in a trade too, and neither side want to deal with one another.

Yeah their handling of Gibson and Zegras has me not even questioning that McTavish is available. It's now like a "oh, of course he is - they're idiots".

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Ottawa isn’t going to trade Tkachuk for Bennett. That’d be brutal for them

Makes them younger as Bennett is only 18 years old.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The 2nd is the "overpay to get it done addition"

Pospisil + Kuznetsov + 2025 NJD 1st might be enough but I feel like another team could beat that.

To me Pospisil + Kuznetsov + 2025 NJD 1st feels like a "start the car" scenario, so I think that's why you need the other pick.

But I also could be undervaluing Pospisil's trade value here, since 25 year old gritty wingers that can play on pretty much any line in your lineup and are among the fastest skaters in the NHL are hard to come by too.

I think some team would toss out a better centrepiece similar to Coronato

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't think so. I think the time to sell high on Pospisil has passed by - and now he's just a player that we hope can become more than what he currently is (but accepting that this may be what he is, which is good). Posipisil has undeniably softened his game this season, and that likely took a decent amount of value off him. Still a good player, but I think the momentum behind the train of thought that he was an emerging all-league pest has subsided to a degree.

The coaching staff has asked him to take that edge off his game to play more disciplined because they want to 2-1 or 3-2 their way to winning games and it's hard to do when you are on the PK too often.

I think on another team that Edge could re-emerge quite quickly, just like it did with Bennett.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

His stats in junior say his ceiling is generational. His floor will be a top pairing D man. There is nothing in McTavish's junior career to suggest his upside is generational. If both hit their ceilings it would be like trading prime Erik Karlsson for prime Ryan O Reilly. It would be one of the worst trades in team history. Zane Parekh should be untouchable.

Respect your opinions, but you can't go by junior stats to predict future success. If that were true, then D Ryan Murphy (as an example) would have been a star in the NHL. In his draft year, he put up 79 points in just 63 games. D Ryan Ellis had a better ppg in his draft year than Parekh had in his, and while he was an excellent D-man, he wasn't close to being generational.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The coaching staff has asked him to take that edge off his game to play more disciplined because they want to 2-1 or 3-2 their way to winning games and it's hard to do when you are on the PK too often.

I think on another team that Edge could re-emerge quite quickly, just like it did with Bennett.

Oh gosh, I hate that so much. Embrace the strengths of the players you have, don't try and neuter them because you have some foolish ass short term goals.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

His stats in junior say his ceiling is generational. His floor will be a top pairing D man. There is nothing in McTavish's junior career to suggest his upside is generational. If both hit their ceilings it would be like trading prime Erik Karlsson for prime Ryan O Reilly. It would be one of the worst trades in team history. Zane Parekh should be untouchable.

I like the Parekh pick because it's a homerun swing with massive upside, but I also understand there's a good deal of risk with him that he may bust out. His specific style of play may not transfer to the NHL. If it does? Wow. There's a decent chance it doesn't though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

His stats in junior say his ceiling is generational. His floor will be a top pairing D man. There is nothing in McTavish's junior career to suggest his upside is generational. If both hit their ceilings it would be like trading prime Erik Karlsson for prime Ryan O Reilly. It would be one of the worst trades in team history. Zane Parekh should be untouchable.

The bolded is ridiculous.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The coaching staff has asked him to take that edge off his game to play more disciplined because they want to 2-1 or 3-2 their way to winning games and it's hard to do when you are on the PK too often.

I think on another team that Edge could re-emerge quite quickly, just like it did with Bennett.

Coaching staff might be part of it but it is also hard to continually play with an edge. He needs to find a balance where he is still effective when he isn't playing hard. I think he is fun story like Nieminen but I wouldn't be too upset if the Flames trade him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh gosh, I hate that so much. Embrace the strengths of the players you have, don't try and neuter them because you have some foolish ass short term goals.

Agree with this 100% but it's the "Safe" approach, and I feel like that is what Huska and Co preach right now.

Take no risks, play strong defensively, play disciplined.

In the end it is their best way to have success this season, but not sure it's actually the best long term for this team.

Originally Posted by Bonded

Coaching staff might be part of it but it is also hard to continually play with an edge. He needs to find a balance where he is still effective when he isn't playing hard.

Yeah I don't know 100% if that's what the coaching staff said.

But he was playing with that edge to start the season, took a couple of bad penalties, got benched a couple of times by Huska and Huska mentioned that he needed to control his emotion / play more disciplined in the press conferences, and he's played much less aggressive and as much less of an agitator since then.

So I can only assume part of it is guidance from the coaching staff based on what was said by the coaches in the media and how they reacted to his penalties.

Part of me wishes this team was just playing an unstructured mess that saw us lose games 5-4 or 5-3 every night but inflated our players counting stats instead of the way we are playing that has been more successful but probably hurt the trade value of some of our assets.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh gosh, I hate that so much. Embrace the strengths of the players you have, don't try and neuter them because you have some foolish ass short term goals.

.

Is it a strength to take undisciplined penalties in the offensive zone?
That's not playing with an edge. That's playing dumb.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is it a strength to take undisciplined penalties in the offensive zone?
That's not playing with an edge. That's playing dumb.

My only worry is it does end up being a trade off. Those penalties weren't great (although at least one of them was a bad call) but it's also a bit of the trade off you get with guys like that early in their careers.

We didn't always love the penalties Tkachuk took, and we didn't love the penalties Bennett took, but it was also part of what made them effective players and if you take them away too much then they are less effective overall.

I think some things you have to let players naturally learn over time to find the right balance and that happens with their development as they age (we see that with Bennett now I think who has really found a balance over the last 18 months that he didn't even have in season 1 in Florida).

Where as with Bennett in Calgary, and Pospisil a bit now I think the coaching staffs were actually being a bit too harsh in trying to limit that part of their games and it actually hurt their effectiveness as players.

[Toonage]

Let's not forget Pospisil's injury history and how he's already been fortunate to not be removed from the ice by the eye in the sky a few times this season.

He needs to play safer for his own health let alone team success.

Also, other GMs know this too. His value may be next to nothing just because of that.

[Tbull8]

Ya I worry a little bit he has a Ferland career. Needs to be on the edge to be effective, but playing on that line leads to many more injuries. I hope I'm wrong, love the player

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My only worry is it does end up being a trade off. Those penalties weren't great (although at least one of them was a bad call) but it's also a bit of the trade off you get with guys like that early in their careers.

We didn't always love the penalties Tkachuk took, and we didn't love the penalties Bennett took, but it was also part of what made them effective players and if you take them away too much then they are less effective overall.

I think some things you have to let players naturally learn over time to find the right balance and that happens with their development as they age (we see that with Bennett now I think who has really found a balance over the last 18 months that he didn't even have in season 1 in Florida).

Where as with Bennett in Calgary, and Pospisil a bit now I think the coaching staffs were actually being a bit too harsh in trying to limit that part of their games and it actually hurt their effectiveness as players.

I have more patience for penalties that come from aggressive play.
But that's not what I saw from Pospisil.
I just saw dumb penalties in the offensive zone.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have more patience for penalties that come from aggressive play.
But that's not what I saw from Pospisil.
I just saw dumb penalties in the offensive zone.

Yup, they weren't from playing with an edge. They were lazy plays. Not every player that plays with an edge will end up like Bennett if you ask them to tone it down.