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Old 12-10-2024, 02:19 PM   #2801
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This is a few things:

1. Trump disdains Trudeau and his style. Its really saying he doesn’t respect Trudeau, not so much Canada

2. He wants us to increase military funding for which he knows Trudeau is fake about. He’s likely sick of Trudeau showing up to talk then not doing anything when he gets home.

We can call Trump stupid, but he’s far from it. He knows what he wants. A serious partner to the North who will align with him and not play games.

I have said for years pick a lane, its this guy or China. We should be strong again IMO and if Trump can force that issue great. So much wasted promise last 10 years due to fake woke preening.

Again, not a Trump supporter but Trudeau deserves this bullying.
He's an 80 year leader of a country, not a 10 year old flailing away on his laptop. If he likes him or dislikes him, Trump needs to grow the hell up. Although at his advanced age and mental state I know that ain't happening.

The fact you think this is ok as a Canadian is wild.
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Old 12-10-2024, 02:50 PM   #2802
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Personally speaking, I'd prefer to be ####ed by Trudeau than Trump.
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This is a few things:

1. Trump disdains Trudeau and his style. Its really saying he doesn’t respect Trudeau, not so much Canada

2. He wants us to increase military funding for which he knows Trudeau is fake about. He’s likely sick of Trudeau showing up to talk then not doing anything when he gets home.

We can call Trump stupid, but he’s far from it. He knows what he wants. A serious partner to the North who will align with him and not play games.

I have said for years pick a lane, its this guy or China. We should be strong again IMO and if Trump can force that issue great. So much wasted promise last 10 years due to fake woke preening.

Again, not a Trump supporter but Trudeau deserves this bullying.
Well, that's exactly what a Trump supporter would say and believe, so...
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#### Trump and this annexation bull####.
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He's an 80 year leader of a country, not a 10 year old flailing away on his laptop. If he likes him or dislikes him, Trump needs to grow the hell up. Although at his advanced age and mental state I know that ain't happening.

The fact you think this is ok as a Canadian is wild.
Not to mention he said "great state of Canada".

Not targeting Canada? Give me a break.
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This is a few things:

1. Trump disdains Trudeau and his style. Its really saying he doesn’t respect Trudeau, not so much Canada

2. He wants us to increase military funding for which he knows Trudeau is fake about. He’s likely sick of Trudeau showing up to talk then not doing anything when he gets home.

We can call Trump stupid, but he’s far from it. He knows what he wants. A serious partner to the North who will align with him and not play games.

I have said for years pick a lane, its this guy or China. We should be strong again IMO and if Trump can force that issue great. So much wasted promise last 10 years due to fake woke preening.

Again, not a Trump supporter but Trudeau deserves this bullying.
This is sarcasm right?

Trump isn't a smart man, he's a psychopath and an influencer. Nothing he says is true, and if it is, it's by accident.

Harper picked China when he was in office and locked us in for a few decades didn't he?
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Okay come on, the "Governor of the Great State of Canada" thing is pretty obviously a joke.
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Don Jr. Is having a day. Caught philandering with a new woman in the press, and his fiance Kim Guilfoyle is being shipped off to Athens as the new Ambassador of Greece.

These people are creepy and weird.
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Still unreal that Americans voted this disaster of an administration back in. 2017-2020 was just flat out stressful and embarrassing on so many levels, and then normalcy finally returned in 2021. I thought as a society, Americans were ready to move past the Trump era and had learned their lesson; turns out, many Americans just like the lowest common denominator and/or are just too easily conned by conmen.
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We can call Trump stupid, but he’s far from it. He knows what he wants. A serious partner to the North who will align with him and not play games.
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Lol. I can’t believe people still believe this crap, especially after everything we’ve witnessed from Trump over the last 8 years. Dude is easily in the running for dumbest human being on the planet. Everything that spews out of his reprehensible pie hole is either a complete lie or just stupid made-up nonsense.
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People are generally pretty happy with their employer provided health care. https://www.ahip.org/news/articles/n...ealth-coverage

It's tough to see 12 random people thinking that health insurance companies are so evil that the murder is justified.
They wouldn’t - assuming they’re chosen from the real world, and not the misery pits of social media.

This murder isn’t a watershed moment in public outrage at health insurance. It’s a watershed moment in revealing how many people on social media are lost to hatred. Just like the guy who pulled the trigger, they don’t have a positive program for change. They don’t take any tangible actions to make the world around them better. Just moan and hate, and assume everyone else is miserable too.
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Lol. I can’t believe people still believe this crap, especially after everything we’ve witnessed from Trump over the last 8 years. Dude is easily in the running for dumbest human being on the planet. Everything that spews out of his reprehensible pie hole is either a complete lie or just stupid made-up nonsense.
buuuut he is a smrt businessman!

Guy inherited 400M of NY real estate in the early 80s and has underperformed the market badly lol
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Just like the guy who pulled the trigger, they don’t have a positive program for change. They don’t take any tangible actions to make the world around them better.
Still better than being a reactionary who opposes positive change. But it's not even true. Online conversation is political activism - that is exactly how you work the non-violent approach. And as for Luigi, it would be hard to think of an action more tangible than the one he took.

How would you suggest positive change be made?
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Still better than being a reactionary who opposes positive change. But it's not even true. Online conversation is political activism - that is exactly how you work the non-violent approach. And as for Luigi, it would be hard to think of an action more tangible than the one he took.

How would you suggest positive change be made?
Let’s start by not killing people, full stop. He didn’t do anything positive, he ended the life of a guy who as distasteful as you find it works within the capitalist framework they so proudly espouse there. I don’t like thier medical system, at all, and think it’s awful for people, but it’s the system they repeatedly choose. You don’t in a society get to start killing people off for the very thing the majority of people keep supporting,
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They wouldn’t - assuming they’re chosen from the real world, and not the misery pits of social media.

This murder isn’t a watershed moment in public outrage at health insurance. It’s a watershed moment in revealing how many people on social media are lost to hatred. Just like the guy who pulled the trigger, they don’t have a positive program for change. They don’t take any tangible actions to make the world around them better. Just moan and hate, and assume everyone else is miserable too.
It might seem like a watershed moment to people who exist in very limited echo chambers, especially if you’re terminally online and have trouble connecting with people “in real life.” But it’s important we don’t project too much of our own struggles onto others. While you may be feeling a lot of hatred, misery, and impotence, it’s important to remember that just because people “off line” aren’t willing to open up to you or you find yourself without those meaningful connections and conversations that feel real and authentic, doesn’t mean they don’t sometimes feel those things too.

The first step I would take is not assuming everyone else is as miserable as you feel, know that if you make an effort to connect with them they might show you as much, and know that help is available if you’re struggling.

You might be surprised to learn that most of the coverage around this isn’t focused on how hateful and miserable everyone online is, because it’s not actually a watershed moment revealing anything about that.
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Did peter12 make a new account or something?
Trump is actually the smartest one in the room guys, super serious.
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Let’s start by not killing people, full stop. He didn’t do anything positive, he ended the life of a guy who as distasteful as you find it works within the capitalist framework they so proudly espouse there. I don’t like thier medical system, at all, and think it’s awful for people, but it’s the system they repeatedly choose. You don’t in a society get to start killing people off for the very thing the majority of people keep supporting,
Except that UH didn't, which is why on multiple occasions they've been found guilty, like this one:

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In a scathing decision, a federal judge blasted a subsidiary of the nation’s largest insurance company for focusing on the “bottom line as much or more” than patients’ health, saying the insurer illegally denied treatment to thousands of people. The judge also slammed the company’s medical directors for being “deceptive” under oath.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/06/healt...ent/index.html

That's not working within the system. This is knowingly inflicting mass suffering on people already suffering immensely so they make more money to enrich themselves. Maybe if they don't want to find themselves getting shot, they could stop doing that? Since the legal system isn't able to keep them in line, an alternative route was taken.

I get vigilante killings are bad for society. But they are also a sign that things have gone seriously ####ed, and given the large numbers of people who are OK with this, perhaps it's just saying that "ya, it's come to this. Don't like it? Stop ####ing us." And if you don't want to be shot, don't take the job that has you ####ing people. I couldn't imagine the guilt I'd feel in that roll, but these people don't care, because they are psychopaths. They should be receiving counseling and care, not running corporations.

For all the people saying this is unacceptable, what is the alternative? How should justice be found for all those struggling, denied care, living their lives 100% wrapped in their healthcare needs taking all their time and resources, and not having any action available to them that will get them what they paid for in a timely manner(before they or loved one is dead)? Insurance companies know all this, and use it to their advantage. They know they can get away with it most of the time, always come out ahead and even the consequences are just a cost of doing business. So serious question, what should be done?
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Let’s start by not killing people, full stop. He didn’t do anything positive, he ended the life of a guy who as distasteful as you find it works within the capitalist framework they so proudly espouse there. I don’t like thier medical system, at all, and think it’s awful for people, but it’s the system they repeatedly choose. You don’t in a society get to start killing people off for the very thing the majority of people keep supporting,
Didn't answer the question. What's the effective alternative?

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If you haven't really accepted how evil this company is, this is a great summary of a few of the inhumane money grabbing schemes they run to enrich themselves, like a gang of government sanctioned psychopaths. And they may be one of the worst, but they are in no way alone. They do some of this #### in Canada, too.

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And of course, they have learned absolutely nothing at all. Psychopaths.


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