2024 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Gratefull for the bottle of wine that Boras sends him for getting Cohen to shell out 51 million a year.

Really it's like selling your mulligans in golf to the other guys in your 4-some. You're the worst player and can't win even if you use your 2 mulligans. So sell them to the other guys for a beer each so you get something of value for something that really doesn't exist or help you actually win.

Haha you’re not wrong - and that “favor” isn’t a bad thing to have with Boras relationship wise

[browna]

Yeah not really going to hit too hard on Atkins for Soto. Soto was blatantly going to go to the highest bidder, that's what made him unique. Ohtani unique for what he does on the field, clearly.

In the process Soto sold his soul to the devil (if your a Yanks fan) for one less year than the Yanks were offering.

Jays/Rogers have the funds to bid, that's clear. But now if they want to get any of this next tier of free agents they have to substantially overpay....not a just a little overpay, a lot.

They didn't do it last year, and doubtful if they do it this year because it messes up the hierarchy of salaries in the clubhouse, specifically when you are trying to extend (and pinch pennies on) Vlad and or Bo at the same time.

No idea why they wouldn't be in on Teo.

Looking back, for the 100th time they really messed things up last offseason. With the proper moves and hard decisions they could've been in the playoffs last year and made this offseason more about tweaking the roster and focus on extending or moving Vlad or Bo.

Instead they.missed on Ohtani, and didn't want to overpay the market price for various guys they needed to boost offense.

The SP pitch their guts out the first 3 months but the ALWS cold bats stay cold and the sell off begins.

[Jason14h]

Because Teo is 33 , can only play DH , and prob wants a 4-5 year deal for $100 million

[Strange Brew]

Yeah as enticing as the FA option is, it just inevitably screws you anytime you hand out term unless you have a bottomless bank account.

[Andrew]

I rather teo than no one. Overpay. He is classy cool and vlad likes him. It's something to watch i am sorry playes don't want to play for Atkins. He is a loser.its entertainment. Better than belt or turner. Not my money go on a run!

It's Atkins statistical analysis that leads to paralysis and lack of action. Sure some science but u need to step out to be a great gm. We need a aj preller Or dipoto or anthoupolos or dombrowski. Somebody that will take risks to win. This management is too conservative. Might generate long-term but take risks on long term high skill prospects. Etc. High upside. Reminds me a bit of tre in their inability to sign own players

Some win now trades look bad imo too. He traded robberse and kloffenstein to lose in round 1 hicks
Nick fraso for mitch white. All 3 guys could be useful in bp this year.

Look at Nelson cruz some players age different.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I rather teo than no one. Overpay. He is classy cool and vlad likes him. It's something to watch i am sorry playes don't want to play for Atkins. He is a loser.its entertainment. Better than belt or turner. Not my money go on a run!

It's Atkins statistical analysis that leads to paralysis and lack of action. Sure some science but u need to step out to be a great gm. We need a aj preller Or dipoto or anthoupolos or dombrowski. Somebody that will take risks to win. This management is too conservative. Might generate long-term but take risks on long term high skill prospects. Etc. High upside. Reminds me a bit of tre in their inability to sign own players

Some win now trades look bad imo too. He traded robberse and kloffenstein to lose in round 1 hicks
Nick fraso for mitch white. All 3 guys could be useful in bp this year.

Look at Nelson cruz some players age different.

I largely disagree. This isn’t a championship season they’re heading into. This year arguably and next, are pivotal years where the Jays will have to make key decisions on what approach they’ll take - build around Bo and/or Vlad, or rebuild. Overpaying for Teo in term just means we’ll have a Springer contract we’ll be stuck with. This isn’t about saving Atkins and Shapiro’s job. This about what to do for the Jays long term. If they don’t get anyone, it’ll suck but I’ll respect the clowns for not jeopardizing the Jays future. If they sign Teo long term to DH and say sign a marquee pitcher, while not addressing the rest of their lineup I simply won’t be happy. There are a ton of holes to be filled and that has to be done with good drafting and good trades. You can’t be lazy and fill through free agency and I don’t think they’ll offload Bo or Gausman to get numerous pieces back, but we’ll see.

[flambers]

My guess, this off season is going to be similar as last one,

Jays will sign a few players, but the players are fillers.

Can't wait to hear the explanations, for this offseason

[jayswin]

The score app saying the Blue Jays offer was below $700mil.

[Andrew]

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Originally Posted by bluejays

I largely disagree. This isn’t a championship season they’re heading into. This year arguably and next, are pivotal years where the Jays will have to make key decisions on what approach they’ll take - build around Bo and/or Vlad, or rebuild. Overpaying for Teo in term just means we’ll have a Springer contract we’ll be stuck with. This isn’t about saving Atkins and Shapiro’s job. This about what to do for the Jays long term. If they don’t get anyone, it’ll suck but I’ll respect the clowns for not jeopardizing the Jays future. If they sign Teo long term to DH and say sign a marquee pitcher, while not addressing the rest of their lineup I simply won’t be happy. There are a ton of holes to be filled and that has to be done with good drafting and good trades. You can’t be lazy and fill through free agency and I don’t think they’ll offload Bo or Gausman to get numerous pieces back, but we’ll see.

I am very open minded person that is empathetic and tries to see different perspectives. I try to justify Atkins and shapiro through thought.... it's not really working...


No I agree they are not a championship team. Let me clarify. But what is the direction. Sign another under performing vet? In belt turner (short contraxr lower risk) Let bo and vlad walk? Take low risk approach with them so far might lead to them walking. Oh we are a big market team we don't have to sign extensions. Aka we dont want to pay their price right now might take risk later There is alot to my thought.

Just take some action. Low risk gm . Afraid to sign Bo and vlad early pony up. Signs statically low risk player . Sure these are wise decisions in own right. It's good long term planning hey we have no bad real bad contracts on book.

I love Teo. My brain is convoluted trying to explain Atkins and shapiro. I just don't think their good no matter what way I think about it. Trying to justify their thoughts. Maybe it is their player evaluation model? We are not winning but I don't want to see some loser vets (belt turner kierrmeer) here and bo and vlad walking which is looking like it is going to happen. I also love Teo in feel he will produce and has produced and in short term will produce. We went downhill when he left

The gms i mentioned above take some gambles on high risk high reward players make bold trades to win. That high risk. Better evaluation.

Make sense?

Rereading your post what it boils down to. We both don't like Atkins. It's evaluation of Teo. Yes I agree don't jeopardize future. Cost with Teo too. We will see

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Andrew

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I am very open minded person that is empathetic and tries to see different perspectives. I try to justify Atkins and shapiro through thought.... it's not really working...


No I agree they are not a championship team. Let me clarify. But what is the direction. Sign another under performing vet? In belt turner (short contraxr lower risk) Let bo and vlad walk? Take low risk approach with them so far might lead to them walking. Oh we are a big market team we don't have to sign extensions. Aka we dont want to pay their price right now might take risk later There is alot to my thought.

Just take some action. Low risk gm . Afraid to sign Bo and vlad early pony up. Signs statically low risk player . Sure these are wise decisions in own right. It's good long term planning hey we have no bad real bad contracts on book.

I love Teo. My brain is convoluted trying to explain Atkins and shapiro. I just don't think their good no matter what way I think about it. Trying to justify their thoughts. Maybe it is their player evaluation model? We are not winning but I don't want to see some loser vets (belt turner kierrmeer) here and bo and vlad walking which is looking like it is going to happen. I also love Teo in feel he will produce and has produced and in short term will produce. We went downhill when he left

The gms i mentioned above take some gambles on high risk high reward players make bold trades to win. That high risk. Better evaluation.

Make sense?

Remember Jays management team has stated they view this club as a playoff team (i.e. contender)

I would not be surprised, if they do sign older players

Not 100% sure who they are targeting, as they have quite a few holes (i.e. pitching and hitting)

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by flambers

Remember Jays management team has stated they view this club as a playoff team (i.e. contender)

I would not be surprised, if they do sign older players

Not 100% sure who they are targeting, as they have quite a few holes (i.e. pitching and hitting)

I have heard Santander fried. I also heard soto and shohei.

Not alot of wins on market. Teo might want to come. Best your going to get maybe? Atkins please give me some sort of christmas

Add to low risk. Low volatility (low risk) starting pitching. Vs higher volatility bullpen. It's lead to ok results. Not to the top

[GirlySports]

dodged bullet I think. Soto now makes more than Betts and Judge combined!

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Andrew

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I am very open minded person that is empathetic and tries to see different perspectives. I try to justify Atkins and shapiro through thought.... it's not really working...


No I agree they are not a championship team. Let me clarify. But what is the direction. Sign another under performing vet? In belt turner (short contraxr lower risk) Let bo and vlad walk? Take low risk approach with them so far might lead to them walking. Oh we are a big market team we don't have to sign extensions. Aka we dont want to pay their price right now might take risk later There is alot to my thought.

Just take some action. Low risk gm . Afraid to sign Bo and vlad early pony up. Signs statically low risk player . Sure these are wise decisions in own right. It's good long term planning hey we have no bad real bad contracts on book.

I love Teo. My brain is convoluted trying to explain Atkins and shapiro. I just don't think their good no matter what way I think about it. Trying to justify their thoughts. Maybe it is their player evaluation model? We are not winning but I don't want to see some loser vets (belt turner kierrmeer) here and bo and vlad walking which is looking like it is going to happen. I also love Teo in feel he will produce and has produced and in short term will produce. We went downhill when he left

The gms i mentioned above take some gambles on high risk high reward players make bold trades to win. That high risk. Better evaluation.

Make sense?

Rereading your post what it boils down to. We both don't like Atkins. It's evaluation of Teo. Yes I agree don't jeopardize future. Cost with Teo too. We will see

Agree. They're in no mans land, so adding long term contracts through free agency without supplemental prospect help, is setting this team up to fail when they're invariably let go. My personal view, and I've said it for awhile, is to trade Bo. Not because I want to, but because they have to. They don't have stable prospects coming up, and with Bo, whose bat I truly love, becoming a FA and seemingly won't sign here, why not get a sign and trade going to a team he wants to be with? I'd put money down he'll bounce back. I'd personally sign him long term but we need him for returning prospects.

To sum it up:
- avoid lengthy free agent contracts which would tie the organization down down the road
- Sign Vlad
- Trade Bo for blue chip prospects
- Deal Gausman for blue chip prospects

A year or two you could then bring in the prospects from a Bo trade, add a bat or two in free agency, and you're moving ahead. As it stands they're not in a good place.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Agree. They're in no mans land, so adding long term contracts through free agency without supplemental prospect help, is setting this team up to fail when they're invariably let go. My personal view, and I've said it for awhile, is to trade Bo. Not because I want to, but because they have to. They don't have stable prospects coming up, and with Bo, whose bat I truly love, becoming a FA and seemingly won't sign here, why not get a sign and trade going to a team he wants to be with? I'd put money down he'll bounce back. I'd personally sign him long term but we need him for returning prospects.

To sum it up:
- avoid lengthy free agent contracts which would tie the organization down down the road
- Sign Vlad
- Trade Bo for blue chip prospects
- Deal Gausman for blue chip prospects

A year or two you could then bring in the prospects from a Bo trade, add a bat or two in free agency, and you're moving ahead. As it stands they're not in a good place.

Isnt signing Vlad to a long term contract kind of doing what you are saying? I dont think he is going to be happy signing with a team that is selling off its assets (Bo/KG) to go into a rebuild/retool. I feel like if they want to trade Bo (whose value is at an all time low right now) that they may as well go full scortched earth and get a major haul for Vlad too. Half measures wont cut it unfortunately. They are in a tough spot.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Isnt signing Vlad to a long term contract kind of doing what you are saying? I dont think he is going to be happy signing with a team that is selling off its assets (Bo/KG) to go into a rebuild/retool. I feel like if they want to trade Bo (whose value is at an all time low right now) that they may as well go full scortched earth and get a major haul for Vlad too. Half measures wont cut it unfortunately. They are in a tough spot.

I'm not against trading Vlad either honestly. Fan memories are short. Not too long ago people were saying he's terrible. Terrible may have been an exaggeration but it wasn't too far off the sentiment. Truth is he's a borderline franchise player (IMO). Even in his worst years his average is pretty damn good. I truly attribute his rough years to his mom's situation, but it can be many things we don't know about. In any case, I figure if they want to keep Jays fans hope up especially after the renovations, Vlad is their face, so it's unrealistic to deal him. But I wouldn't be opposed to it if they're looking at competing 3 or 4 years down the road. He's still 25 so I do think signing him now for 7 or 8 years would work out. But that Soto deal puts into question if he'd settle for that term (assuming he'd want a 12 year deal). I certainly hope they do not do any long term deals like that.

[Andrew]

Yimi Garcia back. Hope his arm doesn't fall off lots of il last year

[flambers]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Isnt signing Vlad to a long term contract kind of doing what you are saying? I dont think he is going to be happy signing with a team that is selling off its assets (Bo/KG) to go into a rebuild/retool. I feel like if they want to trade Bo (whose value is at an all time low right now) that they may as well go full scortched earth and get a major haul for Vlad too. Half measures wont cut it unfortunately. They are in a tough spot.

I'm in the camp, where I am not 100% convinced Vladdy will resign with the Jays

Bo, in my view is gone,

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Yimi Garcia back. Hope his arm doesn't fall off lots of il last year

That's a good signing, they need lots of help with the relief pitchers.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by flambers

I'm in the camp, where I am not 100% convinced Vladdy will resign with the Jays

Bo, in my view is gone,

I’m not convinced either. Specifically after seeing the crazy Soto contract. One would have to think by the same token he’ll be seeking $600M minimum. Makes me queasy. Atkins and team should’ve wrapped this thing up mid season. Not sure why there’s been no progress all this time.

[Inferno]

So I guess a couple days to be a bridesmaid again.

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