Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Locke

How's our unemployment doing?

Fire them all and replace them.

Someone can be taught to wear shorts, drive a van and place letters in a box in about 4 minutes. Its not rocket science.

If I could have an old school route where I walk house to house it would be awesome to be a postal carrier. I actually applied with Canada Post 10 years ago or so but I would definitely need a walking route to enjoy it.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Locke

How's our unemployment doing?



Fire them all and replace them.



Someone can be taught to wear shorts, drive a van and place letters in a box in about 4 minutes. Its not rocket science.

Our homeless rates are growing through the roof and winter is just getting started, and you're joking about a course of action that would put thousands more out on the street?

I don't give a f*** if this post is just a joke. This kind of rhetoric is callous and cruel.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

Yes. They are already paid very well for a job that requires very little skill.

They’re below the industry standards for a courier their size.

If you wanna play race to the bottom though you’re welcome to share your job title and income and I’m sure there’s people who can argue why they consider you to be overpaid too.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Our homeless rates are growing through the roof and winter is just getting started, and you're joking about a course of action that would put thousands more out on the street?

I don't give a f*** if this post is just a joke. This kind of rhetoric is callous and cruel.

But he’s edgy, man. Don’t you get it? It doesn’t matter if they aren’t even being offered a wage increase that keeps up with inflation, Dumb#### jokes are more important.

[SportsJunky]

Yikes. Tough crowd.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Yikes. Tough crowd.

No kidding.

They shall man the barricades against a joke! Give your lives against mild humour! Throw yourselves to the cause!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Our homeless rates are growing through the roof and winter is just getting started, and you're joking about a course of action that would put thousands more out on the street?

I don't give a f*** if this post is just a joke. This kind of rhetoric is callous and cruel.

You realize that hiring replacements offsets this, right? It would just be unecessary friction, which is why it won't happen.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by habernac

Same as how my computer can do taxes.

We actually should go to auto preparation by the government and you only file to add things. For most people with no investments outside of TFSA and RRSP there is little need for anything else.

That we as consumers have to pay through sharing data or money is kind of ridiculous.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by ggg

we actually should go to auto preparation by the government and you only file to add things. For most people with no investments outside of tfsa and rrsp there is little need for anything else.

That we as consumers have to pay through sharing data or money is kind of ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1118141455061671939

[FlamesAddiction]

^^^ I always found it funny how they make you figure it out. Do they double check everyone's tax returns, or is it just random? I made mistakes a couple of times. One time actually saw me get another automatic deposit back in my account several months later. Apparently I overpaid. Another time I underpaid and they contacted me with money I owed. They didn't threaten me with jail or anything like that. They assumed it was an honest mistake.

That was back when I did it all manually. With things like Turbo Tax now, it's pretty hard to screw up.

[GGG]

And now all the electronic forms are available for download from the CRA. If you file in April it’s almost as simple as downloading all the forms from the government website but then you intuit or give wealth simple your data a fight through ads.

They validate all the software used already

Intuit is also a terrible company that lobbies the US government to prevent auto tax preparation. Not sure if they lobby in Canada as well.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

And now all the electronic forms are available for download from the CRA. If you file in April it’s almost as simple as downloading all the forms from the government website but then you intuit or give wealth simple your data a fight through ads.

They validate all the software used already

Intuit is also a terrible company that lobbies the US government to prevent auto tax preparation. Not sure if they lobby in Canada as well.

Is that a terrible company, or is that just doing what a capitalist company must do? Too me, they don't have much choice but to lobby hard and constantly, for shareholders. This is the system functioning. As they say, don't hate the player...

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by SebC

You realize that hiring replacements offsets this, right? It would just be unecessary friction, which is why it won't happen.

I think people underestimate how difficult it would be to replace 55k employees in that industry. Even with high unemployment, despite what some people may think it’s not a job that just anyone can do.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I think people underestimate how difficult it would be to replace 55k employees in that industry. Even with high unemployment, despite what some people may think it’s not a job that just anyone can do.

Like I said, I don't think it would happen. Part of the reason why is that if you did get rid of the union, and fire all the unionized employees, the qualified unemployed people you would want to hire are the ones you just fired. Unnecessary friction. Much better for everyone to just renegotiate the contract.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is that a terrible company, or is that just doing what a capitalist company must do? Too me, they don't have much choice but to lobby hard and constantly, for shareholders. This is the system functioning. As they say, don't hate the player...

Unless the player is healthcare CEO? I'm not sure you're internally consistent. If corporations are people why can't they have ethics? And can't the people who run those corporations have ethics?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by SebC

Like I said, I don't think it would happen. Part of the reason why is that if you did get rid of the union, and fire all the unionized employees, the qualified unemployed people you would want to hire are the ones you just fired. Unnecessary friction. Much better for everyone to just renegotiate the contract.

Just from a legal perspective it would be a lot of hoops for Canada Post to jump through to do that, if it’s even possible at all. Plus the employees could just re-unionize again and we’d be right back where we started.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by SebC

Unless the player is healthcare CEO? I'm not sure you're internally consistent. If corporations are people why can't they have ethics? And can't the people who run those corporations have ethics?

I'm just saying that's the system we have. I'm not saying it is a good thing, or thing I approve of.


Corporations can't have ethics because they aren't free to choose them. They can have ethical policies, if the shareholders approve. But they can't unilaterally decide on their own to do ethical things if they are publicly traded. They need shareholder approval(implicit or explicit). And because of this, the people running the company may have their own ethics, but they are not free to operate the company by them, so if they do indeed have good ethics, they would be unable to be on the board without being in personal conflict of them. So is it really an ethic, if you don't stand true to it? Perhaps this is why so many corporate leaders have psychopathic tendencies? It's basically a requirement due to the structure of the systems we have created.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm just saying that's the system we have. I'm not saying it is a good thing, or thing I approve of.


Corporations can't have ethics because they aren't free to choose them. They can have ethical policies, if the shareholders approve. But they can't unilaterally decide on their own to do ethical things if they are publicly traded. They need shareholder approval(implicit or explicit). And because of this, the people running the company may have their own ethics, but they are not free to operate the company by them, so if they do indeed have good ethics, they would be unable to be on the board without being in personal conflict of them. So is it really an ethic, if you don't stand true to it? Perhaps this is why so many corporate leaders have psychopathic tendencies? It's basically a requirement due to the structure of the systems we have created.

Most companies shares are owner by institutional investors/retirement funds, mutual funds, etc

Which are funded/financed by 'everyone' - essentially .

So while the evil corporation is "bad" as you pointed out it really is the shareholders. And "we" make up the shareholders.

If pension funds didn't prioritize maximum returns companies would change to what they prioritized.

We actually saw it a little bit with things like DEI hiring and other methods of scoring a companies environmental impact etc. The reality is very quickly people reverted to what they really cared about - ROI so companies act to maximize what shareholders want

[Fuzz]

Well yes, we. Society. This is what we have all created. This is what we reap.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

My wife got a physical cheque at her retail job every two weeks. She left that job 18 months ago, but I'm fairly certain her old employer still operates that way.

There are a lot of employers that still operate like that.

The fact that CP thinks otherwise just again goes to show how elitist this place has become.

I literally know 5 companies with 100-500 employees that refuse to do any kind of electronic deposit. They mail cheques, and they will not go out of their way to courier the cheque out. That doesn't just include paying their employees, but also paying their suppliers.