2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Why?

Chicago is a lot closer to contending than the Flames are. Chicago isn’t going to want to tie up cap space with dead money.

You think so? Seems like a Buffalo upcoming here. Pat maroon L, Foligno, hall, Bertuzzk. Tj Brodie.

Bottom of the NHL again.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Kadri's values:


I value Kadri in this sort of way:


1) Kadri trade with no retention = Nothing back. I value this at 'zero', or at least next to zero.


2) Kadri trade with around a 2 million/yr retention = first round pick. That's 8 million bucks + whatever is left on this season at the time the trade goes through. It cost the Flames a 1st to unload Monahan's deal, so I feel this is essentially the same (or close to) with the cap rising.


3) The longer this plays out, the more the needle shifts, and the more likely that the Flames will be the ones to attach assets to move him, rather than receive assets. It will continue getting worse each season.



I would bet that Kadri in his last 2 seasons would be a detriment on the ice. Few players aren't in their 38 and 39 year old seasons. If he was a fitness freak like Backlund, I could maybe live with it a bit better.


The gamble will be: "Will his cap dollars matter then, or will the Flames still be picking high?" I would rather not gamble on it, and give him away now than be stuck with him and potentially impacting who the Flames sign (or re-sign) later. I don't agree with the notion of: "If the Flames trade him, imagine what they would be like.." - the Flames are rebuilding. Heck, maybe this helps the rebuild along anyway. What we know for sure is that the Flames are not competing for the cup, so it makes Kadri's contract an unnecessary long-term risk.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Why?

Chicago is a lot closer to contending than the Flames are. Chicago isn’t going to want to tie up cap space with dead money.

Probably true. Teams like Chicago and San Jose should both be in the phase of starting to get better every year if they want to get some momentum behind their rebuilds. They won’t want to be retaining much salary long term for because they will have a multitude of young skilled players needing contracts in 2-3 years.

It’s interesting to think about which teams are entering or are as early into their rebuild Calgary is. I can think of teams that probably should be entering rebuilds but they aren’t. I struggle to see any that truly are earlier into their rebuild than Calgary is.

Calgary is still in the tear down phase of the rebuild. It could end up being a quick rebuild (for better or worse) since the flames have already stocked up some key positions with young players on defence and in goal. I don’t think it’s extreme to think that 2-3 years from now, most of the flames’ defence will be made up of young players already in the system. We’ll see how it all plays out but the flames future defence and starting goaltending seem already set. They are extremely thin on young skilled centres which are the hardest players to acquire. Those missing centres are what make me consider the flames very early in the rebuild and why I think I would be ok retaining salary on Kadri - but only if it makes him a valuable asset. A 5th round pick + Kampf is definitely not worth 4 years of salary retention. Just keep Kadri in that case.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You think so? Seems like a Buffalo upcoming here. Pat maroon L, Foligno, hall, Bertuzzk. Tj Brodie.

Bottom of the NHL again.

Yes, they are likely bottom this year. Yes, they have some older, not so good players, playing on mostly short term contracts.

But they have a ton of prospects and draft picks. And likely getting one of the better prospects again this year.

They are building slowly through the draft, mush like Calgary should be doing, and maybe is. But Calgary is propped up by some older players who won't be around when Calgary's rebuild is over, and is hampering their draft position.

And Calgary has Wolf who is likely a cornerstone player gong forward, who is also hampering their draft position, but overall that's a very good thing.

[Saqe]

I wouldn't be surprised if Treliving is fixated on Kadri and is willling to overpay. He goes over the hill stupid on guys he likes. But they don't have cap space to do it, same as any other contending team. And I don't see any cap dumps either to match salaries.

For a Kadri trade, basically it would have to be a team that is a contender, desperate for a 2C and has a cap dump on their roster they can send back without creating another hole.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If Kadri would only waive for Toronto, then yes he does.

No. He doesn’t.

Treliving doesn’t get to unilaterally determine what the value of a player is. There are two sides to a trade. If the Leafs want Kadri, they will have to play ball.

Personally, I don’t think this really makes much sense. If it’s true that the Flames are harbouring some ill will towards Treliving, and certainly he knows that, the offer being discussed isn’t going to cut it. In fact it probably exacerbates the situation and just pisses the Flames off even more so. That’s bad business. Want to be in on Andersson? Eff you, if you want to play games. I’ll deal him to your provincial rivals for a better package anyway.

If I’m Conroy tell Treliving, ‘go find your C elsewhere’. And then I tell all other GM’s in the league Kadri’s off the table, thereby driving the price upwards on all other C’s that might be available.

Conroy’s not the one under pressure here. Treliving is. The Leafs are trying to win a cup and the Flames are sitting on $20M in cap space. The Flames don’t have to do squat. The Flames can hang on to Kadri for the next 2-3 years in all likelihood before his contract becomes a problem for them and at that point they can probably buy out the last year or two of his deal, if it’s become an issue.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Yes, they are likely bottom this year. Yes, they have some older, not so good players, playing on mostly short term contracts.

But they have a ton of prospects and draft picks. And likely getting one of the better prospects again this year.

They are building slowly through the draft, mush like Calgary should be doing, and maybe is. But Calgary is propped up by some older players who won't be around when Calgary's rebuild is over, and is hampering their draft position.

And Calgary has Wolf who is likely a cornerstone player gong forward, who is also hampering their draft position, but overall that's a very good thing.

Slowly is right. They drafted 3rd overall in 2019. But they’ve since traded that player, traded a pretty high draft pick for Jones, picked a guy who got demoted to the AHL this year after a full NHL season last year, and Bedard seems like he might not be Sid or even Malkin - he’s putting up more Toews like numbers.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Slowly is right. They drafted 3rd overall in 2019. But they’ve since traded that player, traded a pretty high draft pick for Jones, picked a guy who got demoted to the AHL this year after a full NHL season last year, and Bedard seems like he might not be Sid or even Malkin - he’s putting up more Toews like numbers.

Chicago was trying to compete up until the conclusion of 2021/2022. That’s when they realized their path was a bad one, and there was no way they were going to turn what they had into a top team again.

Toews won how many Stanley Cups?

[Ped]

I don't think Bedard is going to be Sid, but the team around him is incredibly disappointing and if you follow the Hawks, he's not gettng reps with consistent line mates or even regularly with the ones they've had the most success with.


Obviously he needs to work on his shot and his defense but I'm not sure why everyone always just assumes development is linear. MacKinnon only had 38 points in his sophomore season, and then just 52 and 53 the two seasons after that. Many people were calling him a bust. Since then, he has 729 points in 516 games.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Ped

I don't think Bedard is going to be Sid, but the team around him is incredibly disappointing and if you follow the Hawks, he's not gettng reps with consistent line mates or even regularly with the ones they've had the most success with.


Obviously he needs to work on his shot and his defense but I'm not sure why everyone always just assumes development is linear. MacKinnon only had 38 points in his sophomore season, and then just 52 and 53 the two seasons after that. Many people were calling him a bust. Since then, he has 729 points in 516 games.

I think they need to get a new gm and overhaul scouting. I like levshunov but some bad player evaluations

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Ped

I don't think Bedard is going to be Sid, but the team around him is incredibly disappointing and if you follow the Hawks, he's not gettng reps with consistent line mates or even regularly with the ones they've had the most success with.


Obviously he needs to work on his shot and his defense but I'm not sure why everyone always just assumes development is linear. MacKinnon only had 38 points in his sophomore season, and then just 52 and 53 the two seasons after that. Many people were calling him a bust. Since then, he has 729 points in 516 games.

Bedard looks extremely underwhelming considering the expectations. I was more impressed with Mackinnon even though he got a lot less opportunity initially. Bedard doesn't look like he can carry the team at all, they even tried him on the wing already.

[ComixZone]

He’s 19 and has 80 points in 93 games, and doesn’t turn 20 until July 17th 2025.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He’s 19 and has 80 points in 93 games, and doesn’t turn 20 until July 17th 2025.

He was also supposed to be generational.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He’s 19 and has 80 points in 93 games, and doesn’t turn 20 until July 17th 2025.

Ch seems a bit more focused on d.... could hamper some creativity but make him better in long run for

[Paulie Walnuts]

After picking 1st overall San Jose is showing progression. After picking 2nd Anaheim is showing progression. All 5 points back of us.

After picking 1st and 4th Chicago is going backwards again. It’s not all on Bedard. They have drafted poorly once again in their 2nd attempt at a rebuild. Chicago was probably one of the worst situations for Bedard to walk into. His talents are being wasted.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Saqe

He was also supposed to be generational.

Mathews had 84P in his first 93GP...

More goals for sure, but that's a pretty great start.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I wouldn't be surprised if Treliving is fixated on Kadri and is willling to overpay. He goes over the hill stupid on guys he likes. But they don't have cap space to do it, same as any other contending team. And I don't see any cap dumps either to match salaries.

For a Kadri trade, basically it would have to be a team that is a contender, desperate for a 2C and has a cap dump on their roster they can send back without creating another hole.

I don't see the Leafs and Flames as trade partners as it seems Treliving has been lowballing (going back to last season) Conroy like he's scared to lose a trade to his understudy.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Mathews had 84P in his first 93GP...

More goals for sure, but that's a pretty great start.

And Matthews also has a decent supporting cast surrounding him, in 4-60 point guys in JVR, Marner, Kadri and Nylander.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Mathews had 84P in his first 93GP...

More goals for sure, but that's a pretty great start.

Bedard on pace for less than 20 goals this year.



Also just as a comparison to Sid or McDavid he's nowhere near their impact right out of the gates. Not saying Bedard isn't going to be a very good player but he's not in the same zip code with those two guys.

[traptor]

Bedard is probably going to be more of a patrick kane then a crosby or McD.

Which is still one hell of a player, that you can definitely build a winner around.


Sharks, hawks, jackets, habs and ducks are all building now. They all have some core pieces

The next true tank team (and thr only one right now) feels like the Penguins. But with side, Malkin and letting they're not quite there.