American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Sure!

Trump's pardons of criminals:

Political Allies and Associates:
Michael Flynn: Trump's former national security advisor, convicted of lying to the FBI.
Roger Stone: A long-time political advisor, convicted of obstruction, witness tampering, and lying to Congress.
Paul Manafort: Trump’s former campaign chairman, convicted of tax and bank fraud.

Business Associates:
Steve Bannon: Former White House strategist, charged with defrauding donors in a border wall fundraising campaign.

Law Enforcement:
Joe Arpaio: Former Arizona sheriff known for his hardline stance on immigration, convicted of contempt of court.

Celebrities and Notable Individuals:
Lil Wayne: Rapper, pardoned for a firearm-related offense.
Kodak Black: Rapper, received a commutation for a weapons charge.

Other Controversial Pardons:
Charles Kushner: Jared Kushner's father, convicted of tax evasion, witness tampering, and illegal campaign contributions.
Dinesh D'Souza: Conservative commentator convicted of campaign finance violations.

Guys...let's talk about trump!

[PsYcNeT]

Man I'm so concerned about Hunter Biden! Just a real big concern of mine!

I can't think of anything else? I'm so consumed by Hunter Biden and his big, huge, veiny, pardon that I can't even sleep!

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Guys...let's talk about trump!

trumpbot.exe is corrupted and needs a reset. Need correct syntax to activate admittance of corruption.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I'm actually dying at the mental gymnastics.

How long do you have?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Guys...let's talk about trump!

Lets talk about the man who has nothing but sexual predators, felons, crazy people and election deniers in his cabinet.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Dion

Lets talk about the man who has nothing but sexual predators, felons, crazy people and election deniers in his cabinet.

all star team

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

How long do you have?

No known cure. RIP GullFoss.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Guys...let's talk about trump!

Do you care about how a president uses pardons?

Yes or no

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Guys, let's talk about trump.

Lets see you justify all the pardons Trump gave to these people.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardo...rKIVljPQRJH6sg

[Bill Bumface]

It's clear the mechanism of Presidential Pardons is being abused, and I don't care if Hunter's dad is on "my team", this is still not a good path.

The fact pardons exist at all is a problem. How about have a justice system that doesn't suck so bad that this needs to exist at all.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by kermitology

No known cure. RIP GullFoss.

Damn That's a real tragedy.

[GirlySports]

can we all agree that presidents even having pardon power is stupid?

[Senator Clay Davis]

I think we can all agree that, in general, America is just a ####ing stupid country.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Finally! A "but her emails!" mention! I've been waiting to fill out this last bingo square forever, and I thought it wouldn't happen, but thank you for bringing it up without any merit or valid context in the comparison!

Oh, and nice job grasping at straws with "whatever Biden was into". Nice false equivalency with ZERO evidence.

This is why I'm okay with fighting back dirty. This is how the conversation is framed these days, with both sides being equally bad as a false equivalency. Just the lowest form of logical fallacy spinning America into this sense of doom whenever democrats are in power. Democrats can't win against this type of illogical rhetoric, so the only thing left to do is play by their rules.

Let's forget the politics aside and let's run under the assumption the actual background story but add in context from the corporate world during that time. It's not an accurate direct comparison but let's use yourself as a basic example.

You are effectively a #2 or 3 in a top tier organization with global influence in power. Corporate security, IT and various federal government agencies have all bent over backwards to allow the CEO a minimized version of a newer like technology. Strict warnings have been given to other top executives that an accommodations have been given in a single circumstance to the CEO.

You define corporate security, IT and federal agencies who regulate your company and establish communications out of company and corporate rules and guidelines with virtually no electronic trace. You have gone through great lengths in order to cover your electronic tracks from all eyes.

The CEO and other's find out that your using a device or a tool that no other senior executive, including the CEO is allowed to have to the same degree, and you don't see anything wrong with this?

You are able to bypass everybody, including your boss, federal laws and strict warnings from security regarding the use of said device and your going to tell us you had 35k emails about Flames line changes and 5th round prospects?

If Obama who was given special consideration for the use of a Blackberry with such limited use it was almost like a toy, why would Clinton be able to have full access to her's without the protection, security, electronic record keeping and more of a White House issued device?

It's ok think that this was just political in a lot of peoples mind but the simple fact remains, US security agencies and the US Secret Service, which is the only agency that has the ability to override the US President when it comes to security, were bypassed for a single person benefit.

Frankly I really don't care about the emails and more but logically there would be a few things in there that perhaps didn't smell right ethics and legality wise. The same logic would apply if you bypassed every single rule and law regarding the same thing with your employer at the highest level. I don't think discussion regarding Flames and Panthers NHL talk would be the appropriate answer as to what you were doing business wise.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

It's clear the mechanism of Presidential Pardons is being abused, and I don't care if Hunter's dad is on "my team", this is still not a good path.

The fact pardons exist at all is a problem. How about have a justice system that doesn't suck so bad that this needs to exist at all.

Meh. The US justice system is obliterated already. It's being constructed as the personal prosecution team of Trump. Patel will make up the evidence against Trump's targets, Bondi will prosecute them. Hunter would have been targeted, as he was already, because of Joe. You HAVE to switch your line of thinking about this, because the Republic fell ages ago.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I think we can all agree that, in general, America is just a ####ing stupid country.

Somehow, it's a functioning republic.

I mean it must be the instant media we get today that gets us top overreact but things are pretty tame now compared to say the Civil War or Civil Rights.

We consume so much American content, most is great.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

can we all agree that presidents even having pardon power is stupid?

Absolutely not!!

I think the real shame of the Pardon system is in the Mechanism of it. What they really need to do is take some cues from Japanese and Korean Game Shows!

I believe that the President of the United States should be allowed to Pardon anyone they want, but...they have to earn it first!

Obstacle Courses. Feats of Strength. Mental Challenges. Competitive Hamburger Eating. We can do better!

All televised! You want to Pardon someone, you gotta earn it!

"Okay Joe....if you want to Pardon Hunter, you have to climb the steps in Philadelphia to the Rocky statue without falling in this allotted time period...no helmets! Now....GO!!!"

I mean, if you want to turn the whole thing into a side-show...don't half-ass it!!

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Somehow, it's a functioning republic.

I mean it must be the instant media we get today that gets us top overreact but things are pretty tame now compared to say the Civil War or Civil Rights.

We consume so much American content, most is great.

Money is the answer. Next economic collapse should be lots of fun though.

[KelVarnsen]

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Much better

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...disinfo-430276.

I'm actually dying at the mental gymnastics.

The mental gymnastics were those used to support the Hunter Biden prosecution in the first place:

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...en-white-paper

https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/12/0...-prosecutions/