[PGT] Flames Lose to the BJ's 5-2

[Mathgod]

nvm

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I’m okay with not winning, in fact I’d prefer we get a top 10 pick so we don’t forfeit it.
This because I know this team isn’t built to go anywhere.

I’m not okay with UFA plugs wasting roster spots feeling sorry for themselves. Get rid or sit them, you’re paying them anyway yes I know, so why care where they play.

But yea I know the Flames historically won’t do the right thing, and I understand it’s a business but Craig has been very clear he’s looking for guys who want to be here and he has all the trust of ownership to do what he wants.

Yes, the inverse opposite of having leaders and winners to learn from is having too many tweener bums that have never figured out how to be important players on good teams, or even steady legitimate NHLers. We have a few too many of them. We don't want their influence on the kids.

I am OK with a rebuild and losing games - as long as they are hard fought and I get to see bright kids develop. I really think there are 3-4 Wranglers that should be here right now. I would much rather watch them than the UFAs even though I know we want to convert the UFAs to assets.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Flames are a long way from being a competitive playoff team. After a surprising first quarter of the season, maybe they are now showing that they are who we thought they were.
Some of you may need to tap out for a while.

I see frustration here and as a fan, I agree
I don’t think anyone is surprised with the results as of late and therefore not too upset with that
But
The lack of apparent effort by some of the vets has some here upset. It is professional sports after all. Stinky rosters occur at the beginning of a rebuild.
Rosters without pride need to be unacceptable all the time

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If they can get the young center they've been touting for months, then I think the next move to make is offload Kadri.

His role has become to center the 'dog house' line, so as to essentially keep all the liability players together and away from the other lines.

He was great last year but this is a new season and it was arguably more important that he show up as his best self now after all the departures and a group of youth needing leadership.

If he's going to revert to the me-first player that scores one goal for every four he sees scored on his line while he's out there there count me out for keeping this guy for the rebuild.

I thought there would be a lot of movement between the Wranglers and Flames given where they're at, and am a little disappointed about that. Maybe the most exciting prospect of a rebuilding team for me was that since there weren't any established superstars whoever earned it on any given night would see ice the next game, and you would have a continual rotation of players including whoever has proven themselves on the Wranglers.

I guess on D they did that prior to the road trip. Hanley hasn't convinced me that he's a better choice than Bean though. I want to see more of that guy.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Maybe the most exciting aspect of a rebuilding team for me was the thinking that since there weren't any established superstars that whoever earned it on any given night would see ice the next game, and you would have a continual rotation of players including whoever has proven themselves on the Wranglers.

I guess on D they did that prior to the road trip. Hanley hasn't convinced me that he's a better choice than Bean though. I want to see more of that guy.

Amen, now that they may be in a bit of a free fall we should see some kids cycled through as reward for hard work. Having them settle into the spot they probably belong in (bottom half if not bottom ten) means Flames can be more fluid moving guys between the two clubs - to the extent they can w/o waivers.

Kerins, Stromgrem? Maybe a D or two?

[Wastedyouth]

PDO bubble may have popped

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Tough letting a guy like this down
No
He may not have the big contract, or the reputation like others on this team
But
He has a cup
And he’s proud of it
and he wants another and he will do whatever he can to help his team

No drama like making sure everyone in the building notices how forlorn you are by twisting your stick and staring at the blade longingly as you cash your cheque while being benched for sucking
Or
Stating publicly in a press conference after literally s#itting the bed on a season that “you aren’t having fun”

Be honest, are you Rick Bell?

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Be honest, are you Rick Bell?

Ha ha
No
I’m just stating facts, both of those things happened.
One from our big money man, the other from our captain
Can’t hide that stuff

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Missed the game but saw that Lomberg fought Olivier, I assume to keep the Jackets honest for a dirty hit. Clearly outmatched but doesn't hesitate for a minute. Love Lomberg.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1862615868238073881

https://twitter.com/user/status/1862646815700496639

To add to this:

Olivier is one of the toughest in the league, and Lomberg stated as such on John Scott's podcast, literally saying that he shouldn't ever fight guys like him. Today, he did just that for a teammate - hat's off to him.

Accolades need to go Pospisil's way too. Sticking up for Kuzmenko didn't have to be done - that was in no way dirty or even over the top. I often argue that there are plenty of clean hits that need a response because the intention behind it was to hurt someone. This was not one of those hits, but Pospisil still wanted to give his team a boost. Then he fights Oliver in trying to stick up for a teammate? I am sure he knows exactly who Olivier is.

No excuses tomorrow. If I am Huska, whenever I see a single player not giving it 100% effort 100% of each and every shift, I am going over to that player and making him look at Lomberg's face and say: "He is 100% committed to giving a full effort. Why aren't you?" No excuses tomorrow against the Pens with anyone not giving it all next game. This should be a full 60 minute effort.

[Yobbo]

Bad fight for Lomberg to take as he's definitely not in the same class as Olivier. Lomberg is a great energy guy and a game combatant but definitely not our Lucic replacement.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Kadri scoring that late powerplay goal masked what was one of the absolute worst games I have ever seen him play Reminded me of when he obviously gave up at the end of the year under Sutter. Just embarrassing effort and ZERO sacrifice to do anything tough to help the team win. That penalty in the first was really ####ing stupid.

It's so much worse than Kuzmenko, who doesn't really have that extra gear. You know Kadri can be a difference maker when he wants to be, but it looks like he's already transitioned to the country club life. It's a shame. His legacy as a hard working player is going to be tarnished by this.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Yobbo

Bad fight for Lomberg to take as he's definitely not in the same class as Olivier. Lomberg is a great energy guy and a game combatant but definitely not our Lucic replacement.

Took a beating knowing he was going to take a beating.

Gutsy.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Kadri scoring that late powerplay goal masked what was one of the absolute worst games I have ever seen him play Reminded me of when he obviously gave up at the end of the year under Sutter. Just embarrassing effort and ZERO sacrifice to do anything tough to help the team win. That penalty in the first was really ####ing stupid.

It's so much worse than Kuzmenko, who doesn't really have that extra gear. You know Kadri can be a difference maker when he wants to be, but it looks like he's already transitioned to the country club life. It's a shame. His legacy as a hard working player is going to be tarnished by this.

Kadri has the rest of the year, and four more after that, to show he is willing to raise his compete level. I i we are going to see a few more ebbs and flows during that time.

The goal was vintage Kadri. One man show the whole way.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Kadri has the rest of the year, and four more after that, to show he is willing to raise his compete level. I i we are going to see a few more ebbs and flows during that time.

The goal was vintage Kadri. One man show the whole way.

He is also on a 44 point pace, which is basically the lowest point total for him in a decade (not counting significant stretches of games missed due to injury). He is 34 years old now, so at some point he will turn into a pumpkin, and the team holding his deal will find they either have to live with it, or buy it out.


I am not as quick as Cali is to say that he is checked out, but either it is simply a symptom of how the have to play to win games, or it is a nagging injury that is bugging him, or he has checked out, or it is father time breathing down his neck. I guess we will see what the rest of the season shows before we can start really figuring out what it might be.


Hopefully he just gets on a heater in the next segment of games.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

PDO bubble may have popped

Pretty sure they were in the dead middle of the league.

Which makes sense. High prevent rate but low finishing rate.

[Yobbo]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Took a beating knowing he was going to take a beating.

Gutsy.

Oh he's gutsy! I've never doubted his compete level.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

He is also on a 44 point pace, which is basically the lowest point total for him in a decade (not counting significant stretches of games missed due to injury). He is 34 years old now, so at some point he will turn into a pumpkin, and the team holding his deal will find they either have to live with it, or buy it out.


I am not as quick as Cali is to say that he is checked out, but either it is simply a symptom of how the have to play to win games, or it is a nagging injury that is bugging him, or he has checked out, or it is father time breathing down his neck. I guess we will see what the rest of the season shows before we can start really figuring out what it might be.


Hopefully he just gets on a heater in the next segment of games.

I imagine it’s a combination of all of that. I’m not defending him, just resigned to the reality that we are pretty much stuck with him. As far as Cali’s point that he is ruining his legacy, well it’s a little early to say something like that.

Why Treliving felt the need to sign the guy to a 7 year contract in August when no other teams could afford to do so is a whole other story.

[memphusk]

Eight year deal.

[3rd liner]

Just seeing highlights now. Olivier is a b*tch. Heavyweight- hits a guy from behind, fights a lightweight. Then absolutely destroys a short middleweight- though tbf Lomberg approaches him. Then Olivier celebrates like he just took down king kong. Hey Olivier, I hear hair club for men wants a word…

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Meh. As other's have said, this team isn't supposed to win this year.

I must say though, I miss having a guy like McGratton for a rebuilding team like this. At least when the games get scrappy you can throw a gorilla out there to pound on the other team's tough guys and be a detterent. Kudos to Pospisil and Lomberg tonight, but with Pospisil's concussion history it might be worth it/fun to insert a heavyweight for the rematch in a couple days.

Who was that free agent D-man we signed who's like 6'6? If he's still in the A can he fight?

Can Klapka fight? TBF there's no reason to carry a 6'8" forward in today's NHL unless they can throw 'em when necessary.

Of course, the player needs to be dressed in the first place.