Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861789424729669906

This is why I can’t take the NDP seriously. If Canada had a nordic-style social democrat party I’d be a dues-paying member. Instead we have a party that promises all the public benefits of a Scandinavian country, but instead of the high taxes necessary to fund those programs, they promise more tax cuts.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is why I can’t take the NDP seriously. If Canada had a nordic-style social democrat party I’d be a dues-paying member. Instead we have a party that promises all the public benefits of a Scandinavian country, but instead of the high taxes necessary to fund those programs, they promise more tax cuts.

In fairness, pretty much all parties do that here.

I've said it before and I'll perpetually repeat myself, but fiscal conservatism in my lifetime is dead.

We've taken money for granted. And we've done it for a long time and it has poisoned our politics.

Everyone wants something for nothing...and they believe that they're owed it.

The Liberals have absconded with a lot of money. The NDP dont understand how currency actually works and the CPC just complain about it and are no better when the chequebook is in their hands.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by GGG

Or when people complain about immigration they say lots of racist things. I don’t think people tried to have the right size of immigration for Canada discussion

It's given the anti-woke crowd all the excuse they need to be racist while claiming they aren't racist. Not saying the majority of the right are racist, but you have to admit there is a disproportionate amount of them that lean right. It's like open season for them to put their thoughts to keyboard and claim any sort of moral high ground.

I know Twitter, IG, etc. are a cesspool of the worst of the worst. But pretty much any posts celebrating diversity or shaming immigrants, these racists are clamoring to post some edgy posts dripped with racist undertones.

Case in point, saw an interview with Zary the other day on talking about how Chinese support for the Flames and how it's great to have Cantonese broadcasts to make it more accessible to Chinese people, and first comment was the expected "we should be speaking English and French in Canada!", or "this isn't my country!". It's tiring to read / see, to be honest.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Show me on the doll where my comments hurt you.

This is exactly what people are talking about, trying hard to manipulate comments so you can say the ‘other side’ is racist.

People aren’t dumb Pepsi. Be better.

Well, no, “the other side” isn’t racist, and was never called racist. Your comments were racist, and trying to lump yourself in with the comments that actually managed to discuss the issue in real terms without that crap is pretty silly.

If you don’t think people are dumb, stop acting like it.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well, no, “the other side” isn’t racist, and was never called racist. Your comments were racist, and trying to lump yourself in with the comments that actually managed to discuss the issue in real terms without that crap is pretty silly.

If you don’t think people are dumb, stop acting like it.

If you think I’m racist, report me.

If not, suck it up buttercup.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Look at this racist old white man daring to question uncontrolled immigration.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...rney-1.7395037

Canada didn't live up to its values on immigration over the last few years as it allowed more people into the country than it could absorb, said former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney.

Carney, who is a special adviser to the Liberal party, made the comments at an event on Wednesday in Ottawa held by Cardus, a Christian think tank.

"We had much higher levels of foreign workers, students and new Canadians coming in than we could absorb, that we have housing for, that we have health care for, that we have social services for, that we have opportunities for. And so we're letting down the people that we let in, quite frankly."

This is racist.

The Liberals and their supporters said so.

Racist.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's crazy to me that there was a limit on permanent immigration but not temporary immigration. So this caused many fake businesses hiring temp workers or fake universities admitting international students. This loophole was never addressed until now because why? The government didn't know? Afraid to be called racist?

Laws mean nothing when you are not willing to enforce them.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Look at this racist old white man daring to question uncontrolled immigration.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...rney-1.7395037

Canada didn't live up to its values on immigration over the last few years as it allowed more people into the country than it could absorb, said former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney.

Carney, who is a special adviser to the Liberal party, made the comments at an event on Wednesday in Ottawa held by Cardus, a Christian think tank.

"We had much higher levels of foreign workers, students and new Canadians coming in than we could absorb, that we have housing for, that we have health care for, that we have social services for, that we have opportunities for. And so we're letting down the people that we let in, quite frankly."

It’s funny. The longer the Liberals are in power, the more of their own mess they have to try and clean up.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

If you think I’m racist, report me.

If not, suck it up buttercup.

The Liberals and their supporters are now in the gaslighting part of the discussion.

Up till now it was racist to dare say anything about an obvious issue.
Now we have the Liberals saying its a problem.
And Liberal supporters saying nobody ever said it was racist to say it was a problem.

Unreal.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

If you think I’m racist, report me.

If not, suck it up buttercup.

I’m happy to let you continue to embarrass yourself.

If you don’t think suggesting “illegals” are out there chanting “death to Canada” without any evidence to back it up is racist, then show your work, or “suck it up, buttercup” when people call it out.

There is a very clear difference between that, and talking about Canada’s ability to manage expiring visas, provide the necessary supports for immigrants, or manage housing related to the influx of new residents. Even if people are misguided or don’t have the right information on those subjects, it shouldn’t feel like a miracle to you that they can discuss those things without a hint of racism.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

The Liberals and their supporters are now in the gaslighting part of the discussion.

Up till now it was racist to dare say anything about an obvious issue.
Now we have the Liberals saying its a problem.
And Liberal supporters saying nobody ever said it was racist to say it was a problem.

Unreal.

If you are referring to posters in this thread, it would be great if you could point to actual evidence of this. Otherwise it's just more narrative manufacturing.

[PepsiFree]

If people who lean into racist rhetoric when discussing a topic like immigration so desperately want their positions to be categorized the same as people who don’t, frantically making sarcastic accusations of “racism” towards those who don’t probably isn’t the best approach.

I might recommend just dropping the racist rhetoric altogether. But I get it’s easier to play pretend.

[Azure]

I am referring to Liberal rhetoric in general. From the Liberal Party and their supporters.

Are you saying that questioning immigration policies was not met with 'that is racist' responses? Okay then.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

I am referring to Liberal rhetoric in general. From the Liberal Party and their supporters.

Are you saying that questioning immigration policies was not met with 'that is racist' responses? Okay then.

If someone was being racist in their reasoning, then ya. I posted a link to a discussion where no one was instantly called racist until the obvious racist showed up. So I'd just like to see some of these clear instances that are colouring your comments. Should be easy to find.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Actually you can, when you find out.

I had a girl work for me who's working visa expired and HR didn't notice until 6 months later! She was reported and on the next plane out.

So they didn't give her any warning or anything? It is the proper thing to report it. If you are an employer I would think you can get into trouble if you don't. I imagine CRA has a mechanism for eventually finding out when you are submitting remittances and things like that. But it would seem unnecessarily harsh to not at least call her in and tell her that it was going to happen.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Show me on the doll where my comments hurt you.

This is exactly what people are talking about, trying hard to manipulate comments so you can say the ‘other side’ is racist.

People aren’t dumb Pepsi. Be better.

Always a nice touch when someone references the sexual assault of young vulnerable children in order to land a "zinger" on a libtard.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If people who lean into racist rhetoric when discussing a topic like immigration so desperately want their positions to be categorized the same as people who don’t, frantically making sarcastic accusations of “racism” towards those who don’t probably isn’t the best approach.

I might recommend just dropping the racist rhetoric altogether. But I get it’s easier to play pretend.

If Doctorfever was being racist in their reasoning, then ya. I'd just like to see some of these clear instances that are colouring your comments. Should be easy to find.

If not, move it along muffin.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

No. Unpleasant in general, living in the shadows with no documents or social net.

It's more difficult in Canada to live as an illegal, but not impossible if you have support from family or people in your ex-pat community helping you. It usually involves use of other people's documents either willingly or through identity theft. Some do just try to get into the States from Canada though and then try their luck there.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

If Doctorfever was being racist in their reasoning, then ya. I'd just like to see some of these clear instances that are colouring your comments. Should be easy to find.

If not, move it along muffin.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You are right.



But let’s start with the illegals that are marching on our streets yelling death to Canada.

You mean here where you’re saying some contingent of people protesting or rioting must have come to Canada illegally, but without knowing anything about their backgrounds?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You mean here where you’re saying some contingent of people protesting or rioting must have come to Canada illegally, but without knowing anything about their backgrounds?

If they are illegals. Deport them.