American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by sharkov

The problem with these tariffs is that Canada got itself into this situation by burning bridges with alternative markets such as Russia and China. And now the US has all the leverage economically and we Canadians have no choice but to go into recession

Russia and China deserved to have bridges burned. As for the US, this is nothing new. Traditionally they have always been who we export to most and who we import from most.


And the only thing you can predict about Trump is that whatever benefits him most is what he will end up doing. If you're going to argue that we made a mistake burning bridge with Russia, who likes to invade other countries, and China, who remember jailed and tortured some Canadians while inflicting countless human rights abuses so the west can have cheap tvs and phones, then you might as well argue we should invest in Trump's stock so that if we do well, so will he.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Pretty much. Lots of complaining about a tariff that is only going to hurt the American consumer. The demand for products from Canada aren’t going to dry up, they’re only going to get more expensive. The only thing more nutty is suggesting an issue of border security and bad people/drugs crossing the US border INTO the United States is a Canadian problem.

This isn’t talked about enough, people are complaining that somehow this will mean things produced in Canada won’t be bought and will be bought in the us instead. That’s not how this will play out, if a factory is tooled to provide a certain part in Canada and nobody in the us makes it the part will still get bought. The price of it in the us will go up, which may mean the part won’t get bought as many times but the impact in the us will be profound.

This won’t see the light of day and if it does won’t last long.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

This isn’t talked about enough, people are complaining that somehow this will mean things produced in Canada won’t be bought and will be bought in the us instead. That’s not how this will play out, if a factory is tooled to provide a certain part in Canada and nobody in the us makes it the part will still get bought. The price of it in the us will go up, which may mean the part won’t get bought as many times but the impact in the us will be profound.

This won’t see the light of day and if it does won’t last long.

Yes the only thing it ensures is that any new factories are built in the cheapest locations, Vietnam or Mynar rather than China in order to absorb the extra 10%, no one is planning anything with a more than 4 or 5 year window due to Trump, he's to corrupt for any normal business cycle

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes the only thing it ensures is that any new factories are built in the cheapest locations, Vietnam or Mynar rather than China in order to absorb the extra 10%, no one is planning anything with a more than 4 or 5 year window due to Trump, he's to corrupt for any normal business cycle

Trump...third world job creator.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The strategies they used last time won't work so they need to come up with something else. Last time when Trump put tariffs on Canadian aluminium and steel, Canada responded by putting tariffs on very specific things produced in swing states. This time around, Trump doesn't need to worry about re-election so that approach won't be as effective.

It's still a good strategy. But it's not to pressure Trump directly. It's to pressure vulnerable Republican congressmen and Senators to reign him in.

Originally Posted by Azure

So 24h later.

Trudeau has spoken with Trump.
Trudeau has spoken with Ontario / Quebec premiers.
Said today he wants to get together with all the premiers to talk about it.

I mean for a government that basically moves backwards most times, they sure are quick to jump on dealing with this.

It would be absolutely hilarious if Trump becomes such an enemy that Trudeau starts looking good to Canadians again and PP gets left on the sidelines.

[Coach]

Yeah there may be a feeling that at least he's dealt with him before and knows the game. And I think Trump likes familiar faces even if he kinda hates them. He doesn't want to learn about the new Prime Minister of Canada and hear about his new nonsense.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Coach

Yeah there may be a feeling that at least he's dealt with him before and knows the game. And I think Trump likes familiar faces even if he kinda hates them. He doesn't want to learn about the new Prime Minister of Canada and hear about his new nonsense.

I can think of one reason that Trump wants nothing to do with Trudeau

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by sharkov

The problem with these tariffs is that Canada got itself into this situation by burning bridges with alternative markets such as Russia and China. And now the US has all the leverage economically and we Canadians have no choice but to go into recession

Russia is not a real market in any serious way.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Russia is not a real market in any serious way.

Doesn't that work to Canada's advantage though? After all, Canada isn't a serious country in any way.

[GullFoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861550359161745529

This is so sad.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861550359161745529

This is so sad.

Is she drunk? What was the purpose of that?

Thats like your alcoholic Aunt three sheets to the wind at Christmas dinner? WTF was that?

[GullFoss]

I honestly don't get it. The candidate disappears for three weeks and then comes back and this is her first appearance. Total lack of judgement.

But the Democrats allowed her to do it, and then blasted it everywhere. Basically just figuratively shivving her to end any hopes of a comeback in the future. And this comes months after they did the same to Biden.

It's really unsettling on so many levels. It's just sad.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It's really unsettling on so many levels. It's just sad.

What’s 4chan saying about it?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Locke

Is she drunk? What was the purpose of that?

Thats like your alcoholic Aunt three sheets to the wind at Christmas dinner? WTF was that?

Yeah, definitely NOT a message you want to hear from leadership after a tough loss. Better to let your side wallow in the absolute negativity and fear encompassing the country right now and let the orange ####gibbon continue to drive the hopelessness that is out there.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

How have they handled it well?

Actually coming out and being annoyed about it, but at the same time moving in the direction of actually wanting to fix the issues.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes the only thing it ensures is that any new factories are built in the cheapest locations, Vietnam or Mynar rather than China in order to absorb the extra 10%, no one is planning anything with a more than 4 or 5 year window due to Trump, he's to corrupt for any normal business cycle

That is how the tariffs work on China. Production has just shifted to other cheap producing countries.

But tariffs on Canadian produced items won't mean the same thing because not everything can be produced in some other country within a few months.

Oil as an example. Where is the US going to suddenly get 60% of their oil from? Natural gas, propane, fertilizer, etc, etc, etc.

[Ozy_Flame]

Hey GullFloss. Can you authenticate the news you posted in that Tweet yesterday about Mexico absolutely acquiesing to Trump's tariff demands?

You never responded with our requests to validate that information.

Thank you sir!

[Azure]

Well they are saying the migrant caravans are being stopped, but pretty sure this was in process anyways.

Sheinbaum said her administration had shown Mexico's willingness to help fight the fentanyl epidemic in the U.S., that apprehensions of migrants at the border were down, and that migrant caravans were no longer arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...bs-2024-11-26/

Either way, she's being a moron with her retaliation stupidity. The goal here is to actually deal with the issues, and avoid the tariffs, not say 'oh we will just impose our own', while your economy dies.

[GullFoss]

What azure found is what I found. Hard to tell the context in which she was saying "caravans no longer reach the border". Like is that new since trump won the election? Or were migrant caravans also not getting to the border under Biden?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Hey GullFloss. Can you authenticate the news you posted in that Tweet yesterday about Mexico absolutely acquiesing to Trump's tariff demands?

You never responded with our requests to validate that information.

Thank you sir!

It's because it never happened.

Good summary of the response and issue here.

Don't worry, the usual ####tards will be along shortly to claim that Trump drove all of these changes and deserves all credit, then claim the foreign policy used by the Biden Administration only exacerbated the problems, regardless of what facts and other involved countries say.