American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

don’t let the door hit you on the way out when Trump declines to exclude oil and gas from the tariffs. What’s your problem, I assume you hate Canada? Why cheer for Trump in this instance, do you hate your neighbours that much?

Step One - own the libs
Step Two -???
Step Three - profit!

[Azure]

So 24h later.

Trudeau has spoken with Trump.
Trudeau has spoken with Ontario / Quebec premiers.
Said today he wants to get together with all the premiers to talk about it.

I mean for a government that basically moves backwards most times, they sure are quick to jump on dealing with this.

[PepsiFree]

I thought Canada wasn’t a serious country and were totally lax about all these things.

[Ozy_Flame]

Sometimes I question the seriousness of other countries too.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

So 24h later.

Trudeau has spoken with Trump.
Trudeau has spoken with Ontario / Quebec premiers.
Said today he wants to get together with all the premiers to talk about it.

I mean for a government that basically moves backwards most times, they sure are quick to jump on dealing with this.

The strategies they used last time won't work so they need to come up with something else. Last time when Trump put tariffs on Canadian aluminium and steel, Canada responded by putting tariffs on very specific things produced in swing states. This time around, Trump doesn't need to worry about re-election so that approach won't be as effective.

I think the only thing Canada can do is be tougher on the border, but I just don't know how you do that. Honest question, because I really don't know legally how it works, but can Canadian border officers stop and search Canadians at the border before they enter the U.S.? I always thought the onus was on the country receiving the traveller to make that determination as they enter not as they are leaving.

It's not like North Korea where borders are designed to keep people in. They are designed to keep people out or at least regulate what comes in.

Of course the other alternative would be to jack up the prices on commodities they need and can't quickly replace (energy for one). But then you also risk escalating things more.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think the only thing Canada can do is be tougher on the border, but I just don't know how you do that. Honest question, because I really don't know legally how it works, but can Canadian border officers stop and search Canadians at the border before they enter the U.S.? I always thought the onus was on the country receiving the traveller to make that determination as they enter not as they are leaving.
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That's the absurdity of it all

If the US thinks their border is porous it's on them to address and change it.

The control who enters the country. It's not on Canada to control who leaves.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

That's the absurdity of it all

If the US thinks their border is porous it's on them to address and change it.

The control who enters the country. It's not on Canada to control who leaves.

Well, it seems like we’ve been on board with it since we have to clear customs before we even get onto an airplane to go there…

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Well, it seems like we’ve been on board with it since we have to clear customs before we even get onto an airplane to go there…

You’re actually clearing US Customs. Canadian Customs has nothing to do with it. That is all US Customs Service following US policy.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Well, it seems like we’ve been on board with it since we have to clear customs before we even get onto an airplane to go there…

Yeah, that has nothing to do with Canadian security.
It's a nice bonus of having an airport with so many flights direct to the US. It means we can clear customs on this side of the border, which makes landing easier, and it means flights from Calgary can land in US domestic terminals, which makes it easier (and likely cheaper) for them.

Canadian customs/security couldn't care less or have less to do with where we clear American Customs.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yeah, that has nothing to do with Canadian security.
It's a nice bonus of having an airport with so many flights direct to the US. It means we can clear customs on this side of the border, which makes landing easier, and it means flights from Calgary can land in US domestic terminals, which makes it easier (and likely cheaper) for them.

Canadian customs/security couldn't care less or have less to do with where we clear American Customs.

Well then I’m just dumb I thought for sure it was a post 9/11 thing.

[Ped]

Actually US pre-clearance has been around since the early 1900s - it started on a ferry from Victoria to Seattle. It started for air travel in the 50s, with Toronto and Calgary being the first airports.


9/11 led to the merging of a bunch of agencies into the current USCBP (United States Customs and Border Protection). Pre-clearance is available in 5 or 6 countries, I believe.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Make dumb ignorant comment, learn something. You taking notes Mel?

[activeStick]

Haven't heard from Harris for a while. I wonder what she does after January? I saw some way too early polling a week ago where she was still the runaway preference among Democrats to be their 2028 nominee with 40ish% and I believe Newsom way back in 2nd with 20ish% (or maybe Shapiro?).

What was Biden doing after the 2016 election?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861550359161745529

[puffnstuff]

Better question...what was Mike Pence doing after the 2020 election?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

That's the absurdity of it all

If the US thinks their border is porous it's on them to address and change it.

The control who enters the country. It's not on Canada to control who leaves.

I think the theory (correct me if I’m wrong) is that people are coming INTO Canada for the purpose of entering the US because it’s easier. So if Canada was harder on immigration or entry then by extension it protects America.

I believe that’s what he is getting at no? Could be wrong though.

[Ped]

Could be, but if he wants to strengthen his border, go nuts. Whether it's 10 bad actors trying to enter the US, or 1000 who came from somewhere else into Canada to try to go into the US, he can still stop them at his border.

[sharkov]

The problem with these tariffs is that Canada got itself into this situation by burning bridges with alternative markets such as Russia and China. And now the US has all the leverage economically and we Canadians have no choice but to go into recession

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Azure

Which accomplishes nothing.

We're 24h into this and the Liberals have handled it well. About as good as anyone could.

Which is a very, very good sign for Canada.

The dream here, if we want to call it that, is to further strengthen the interlinking between the US & Canadian economies so that it benefits both countries while at the same time taking the supply chain control away from China.

How have they handled it well?

[Mr.Coffee]

The tariffs are never going to come to pass let’s get real here

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

How have they handled it well?

By kowtowing to King Don.