Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[FlamesAddiction]

Voluntarily leave? Don't you have to leave when your visa expires? I thought that was the whole point of having a visa system.

[Monahammer]

Yeah, sure, that's the point of the system. But who is going to enforce on 4 million people? They don't just show up at the airport when their visa expires.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah, sure, that's the point of the system. But who is going to enforce on 4 million people? They don't just show up at the airport when their visa expires.

The public servants that police the system should enforce it. There must be a database that tracks people here on visas (like where they live and work), and then checks them off when they have exited the county. Then if they don't you send people to deport them? It could be a lot of people, but there must be a system in place for enforcing it. I'm probably being naïve I guess.

And for ones that go on the run, just deny them public services that require government issued identification if they can't produce it. Eventually they will have to visit a clinic, register for school, get employment and nail them then. Granted there will always be some that have a network to live off the grid though.

[PepsiFree]

Have you guys ever travelled or lived anywhere on a temporary visa?

You act like everyone who has one is a criminal set on breaking the law.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Have you guys ever travelled or lived anywhere on a temporary visa?

You act like everyone who has one is a criminal set on breaking the law.

I thought unlike most countries, Canada has no exit controls. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought we have no idea as we don't track people leaving. Which should makes things interesting lol.

[CliffFletcher]

The point is Canada doesn’t have any way to track, let alone deport, people who overstay their visas. Up until recently, it was such a tiny number that we never set up the government infrastructure to enforce expired visas.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by chemgear

I thought unlike most countries, Canada has no exit controls. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought we have no idea as we don't track people leaving. Which should makes things interesting lol.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The point is Canada doesn’t have any way to track, let alone deport, people who overstay their visas. Up until recently, it was such a tiny number that we never set up the government infrastructure to enforce expired visas.

CBSA does track everyone who leaves through the Entry/Exit program that was developed in coordination with the US (but does not strictly apply to the US border), and that information is accessible in real time to IRCC.

This has been around since 2019 (land) and 2020 (air).

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...y-exit.html#s1

So it is false that they have no way to track or enforce, nor that they have the infrastructure to do so.

[Azure]

What they lack is the political balls to actually enforce the law.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Have you guys ever travelled or lived anywhere on a temporary visa?

You act like everyone who has one is a criminal set on breaking the law.

Not all over them of course, but enough that it could be a problem.

A new CIBC Capital Markets report says the official number of non-permanent residents in Canada often cited by policymakers could be vastly underestimated.

The report says the actual number could be off by one million, meaning any policies around housing or those aimed at capping the number of non-permanent residents might be more urgent than previously thought.

Benjamin Tal, deputy chief economist at CIBC, says the significant gap is in part because the federal government does not have a system to track people with expired visas who continue to stay in the country.

https://www.biv.com/news/economy-law...m-cibc-8273120

There is also data in the U.S. that suggests 4.5 million illegals staying in the U.S. (or 42% of all illegals) are people who first entered the country on visas. It's a small percentage year-to-year, but it adds up over time. There is similar data online for Australia and the U.K. I'd be surprised if Canada is vastly different in that regard. For whatever reason, Canada doesn't seem to have a lot of publicly available data on it.

Also, it just seems odd that there would have to be an announcement that they will be asked to voluntarily leave. It should be implied without asking, and if something is an obligation, it shouldn't be considered voluntary.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

CBSA does track everyone who leaves through the Entry/Exit program that was developed in coordination with the US (but does not strictly apply to the US border), and that information is accessible in real time to IRCC.

This has been around since 2019 (land) and 2020 (air).

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...y-exit.html#s1

So it is false that they have no way to track or enforce, nor that they have the infrastructure to do so.

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

https://www.biv.com/news/economy-law...m-cibc-8273120

Benjamin Tal, deputy chief economist at CIBC, says the significant gap is in part because the federal government does not have a system to track people with expired visas who continue to stay in the country.

Wait, we do have a system. Or we don't have a system?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Wait, we do have a system. Or we don't have a system?

The Government of Canada website talking about the program and how it works, or some guy from a bank who says it doesn’t exist.

Who to trust?

[calgarygeologist]

7 minutes into the results of the Nova Scotia election and it has been called for the Conservatives in dominating fashion.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

7 minutes into the results of the Nova Scotia election and it has been called for the Conservatives in dominating fashion.

“But in the end, we fataed it all up” - Nicky Santorudeau

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The Government of Canada website talking about the program and how it works, or some guy from a bank who says it doesn’t exist.

Who to trust?

…the bank guy?

[Ped]

Could immigration go and round up everyone who is here illegally? NOt likely, because some of them don't stay where they say they will be, or work where they said they worked, or used to work.


But most of them are just... right there. They're working, they're supporting families, they're contributing to society, and in a lot of cases, doing jobs that the rest of us don't want to. They're also being exploited by people and employes and landlords who won't hesitate to throw them under the bus.

The vast majority of them don't bother anyone else, and they're just here to earn a living. And if they all disappeared, we would definitely notice in a bad way.

[Mr.Coffee]

Does the government need to worry about deporting people or kicking people out? If you just fix the entry system and restrict immigration doesn’t the issue sort itself out over time?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861462485519257964

Missing important context. How many left last year? How many were supposed to leave last year? It would be completely normal for some visitors to leave, some new visitors to arrive. We're not talking about a 4.9 million population drop, new visas will also be issued. So without discussing any of that, this is just alarmism and low-quality journalism.

Is the Toronto Sun also worried about the ship of Theseus sinking because it has lost 100% of its parts?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Does the government need to worry about deporting people or kicking people out? If you just fix the entry system and restrict immigration doesn’t the issue sort itself out over time?

I mean if you stop all immigration and travel. Otherwise you should probably make sure you don't have a process for bad apples after the fact, because you'll never get the entry system 100% right.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

…the bank guy?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ped

Could immigration go and round up everyone who is here illegally? NOt likely, because some of them don't stay where they say they will be, or work where they said they worked, or used to work.


But most of them are just... right there. They're working, they're supporting families, they're contributing to society, and in a lot of cases, doing jobs that the rest of us don't want to. They're also being exploited by people and employes and landlords who won't hesitate to throw them under the bus.

The vast majority of them don't bother anyone else, and they're just here to earn a living. And if they all disappeared, we would definitely notice in a bad way.

Well they could start with all those marching in the streets yelling death to Canada.