American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[The Yen Man]

China's the easy scapegoat for anything political at this point, right or wrong. Its the sexy thing to do these days by politicians to gain easy political points. Not saying there aren't issues with China, but all these exaggerated takes makes it hard to believe what's actually a threat and what is made up rhetoric meant to whip the uneducated masses into a frenzy. History has shown time and time again, to succeed politically, you need to build up a big bad enemy to rally the people against. It used to be the Soviets. Now it's China.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

It used to be the Soviets. Now it's China.

In fairness their governments do have a lot in common

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh look, someone wrote an article on it today backing up my point.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...-what-to-know/

We should not be looking at the Canada / US border as a comparison to the Mexico/ US border.

I am not able to read the article you posted, but according to the numbers you quoted, encounters at the Canadian border are up from ~ 2200, to 10000, to 23700 year over year.

That is a huge increase, I can see why those numbers are concerning regarding migration.

[KelVarnsen]

It's a easy solution you guys

[kermitology]

nm

[Azure]

Originally Posted by direwolf

And the U.S. is? Lol. You saw who they just re-elected, right? And his cabinet picks are even more ridiculous. It's just an absolute clown show down there.

You seriously need to get a grip, dude. Get out of your ultra-conservative rage bubble every once in a while, go outside, go for a walk and breathe in some fresh air. Every post I've seen from you is just constant doom and gloom 24/7. Obsessing over this bulls*** will just drive you insane. Perhaps it already has.

Seriously, what is with the whataboutism?

How is saying that Canada doesn't act serious as a country about things like drug smuggling, money laundering, crime issues, etc have anything to do with what the US is?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh look, someone wrote an article on it today backing up my point.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...-what-to-know/

lol.

Illegal crossings at northern U.S. border continue to skyrocket, hundreds of terror suspects arrested.

WBZ visited the Swanton Sector last March, when illegal border crossings were climbing, and Border Patrol had already arrested a record 7,000 people in fiscal year 2023.

"It was a flood we had not seen before. It was an exponential shift," said Erik Lavallee at the time. Lavallee is the Border Patrol Agent in Charge of the Beecher Falls Station in Vermont.
19,000 people arrested in 2024

Since then, illegal crossings have continued to skyrocket with roughly 19,000 people arrested in fiscal year 2024. That is about the same amount as the last 17 years combined. Although, Customs and Border Protection notes that the Swanton Sector has seen a 52-percent reduction in encounters since the height of crossings in June.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/...ects-arrested/

Canada and the U.S. must work together to confront a surge of migrant encounters at their shared border, one expert says, particularly after a man was arrested in Quebec for planning to commit a terrorist attack in New York City.

Keith Cozine, an associate professor of homeland security at St. John’s University in Queens, N.Y., says while the issue may not yet damage the Canada-U.S. relationship, a lot depends on how it is politicized in both countries in the coming months.

There have been 19,498 encounters of migrants seeking to enter the U.S. from Canada in the most recent fiscal year to date, between October 2023 and July 2024, according to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency.

That’s a 95-per cent increase from the previous full fiscal year. When comparing the same 10-month period, the number jumped 155 per cent year-over-year.

The numbers are just a drop in the bucket compared to those at the U.S. southern border with Mexico, which has seen 1.4 million encounters so far this year. But southern border encounters have dropped dramatically since 2023 — from more than two million — at the same time northern encounters are on the rise.

But Cozine says more work is needed, particularly on the Canadian side, to improve security screenings and intelligence gathering to prevent potential attacks.

“I think there is some truth to the idea that screening at Canadian ports of entry are a little bit lax when compared to United States,” he said.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10754863/...rder-security/

[Azure]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Your argument is Canada is turning a blind eye and doing nothing to combat it. To prove your point, you post an article about all the things Canada is doing to combat the importation of precursor chemicals and production?

Canada has had a massive money laundering issue for years, maybe decades.

Please don't tell me what we are doing to combat it, because its basically nothing.

Money laundering is almost always associated with drugs.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Azure

Canada isn't a serious country. Hasn't been for a while.

Trump has a big China chip on his shoulder. We knew that going in, knew it from 2016.
China is obviously a big issue with the drug smuggling.
China is obviously a big issue in Canada with crime and all kinds of other ####.

Canada again isn't a serious country.

Maybe we should wake up.

So, I see this phrase thrown around from time to time: "Canada isn't a serious country," and I just want to know what that means. What's not serious about it?

[Barnet Flame]

I think we should all just face up to the likelihood that for the next four years, we’re all going to hurt economically. Sucking up to the bullying will achieve nothing. We’ll hurt, they’ll hurt and everyone will lose out.

I’d wish the US lots of luck with keeping inflation down while slapping tariffs on everyone, but I don’t. I hope they feel every ounce of the pain they try to inflict on others.

#### them.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Azure

Seriously, what is with the whataboutism?

How is saying that Canada doesn't act serious as a country about things like drug smuggling, money laundering, crime issues, etc have anything to do with what the US is?

The level at which it happens in Canada isn’t worthy of a 25% tariff.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

We should not be looking at the Canada / US border as a comparison to the Mexico/ US border.

I am not able to read the article you posted, but according to the numbers you quoted, encounters at the Canadian border are up from ~ 2200, to 10000, to 23700 year over year.

That is a huge increase, I can see why those numbers are concerning regarding migration.

There is also a growing number of known terrorists crossing the border going into the US.

Its a growing problem, and one that any country with half a brain would be concerned about.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

So, I see this phrase thrown around from time to time: "Canada isn't a serious country," and I just want to know what that means. What's not serious about it?

Everything.

Our government is caught up in corruption scandals, with a new one popping up week to week.

We are basically run by oligopolies that maintain a stranglehold on specific industries, including food, telecom & others.

We have a wealth of natural resources that the world needs that we can't develop & export properly without pissing and moaning about everything.

We can't fix our inter provincial trade issues, which by all accounts costs Canadians billions. Don't you DARE buy beer in Alberta and bring it to Manitoba!

Our military, including the military procurement process is a complete joke, while at the same time we basically admit that we don't care because the US will protect us. Which is insane because the arctic and the protection of our turf in the arctic will become more serious as time goes on. And there is the whole Russia problem.

Our health care system is basically falling apart, however nobody cares about that because at least we are 'not the US.'

Every possible metric you can look at economically we are falling further and further down the chain.

But hey, at least we're not the US, amirite?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Wormius

The level at which it happens in Canada isn’t worthy of a 25% tariff.

Absolutely, and one day later its quite clear that the Liberals are more serious about making sure the tariff isn't applied in comparison to the idiots in Mexico who want to have a war of words in the media.

Which is a good sign.

[Wormius]

Honestly, the days left during which Biden can do something is becoming less and less.

[dino7c]

If Trump keeps this up I doubt Mexico even pays for that wall

[activeStick]

Hmm that actually makes me wonder if he'll propose construction of a wall between Canada and the US too? Going to suck when we have to pay for all of that!

[The Yen Man]

Americans are going to get a sad dose of reality when they realize Trump just made things even more expensive for them too with all these tariff threats. It still blows my mind now the average Trumper has no idea how tariffs work.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Americans are going to get a sad dose of reality when they realize Trump just made things even more expensive for them too with all these tariff threats. It still blows my mind now the average Trumper has no idea how tariffs work.

Really? This is the least surprising part. Anyone dumb enough to vote for Trump isn't gonna have the mental stabilizes to puzzle out how tariffs work. They literally only know how slogans work(they put a smile on their faces).

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Americans are going to get a sad dose of reality when they realize Trump just made things even more expensive for them too with all these tariff threats. It still blows my mind now the average Trumper has no idea how tariffs work.

There's Canadians in this very thread who are defending the idea.

They think Ma & Pa Welding Shop having to suffer through 25% tariffs to their customers in the USA is somehow going to make illegal immigration and fentanyl traffic stop.

They are cheering the demise of their own economy.