American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Azure

But if you look at fentanyl in relation to overdoses its more than a rounding error.

Yeah. The man who had OD'd on the sidewalk outside the Safeway last night didn't feel like a rounding error - he felt like someones child where things had gone horribly wrong. Granted he had a pipe in his hands so probably not fentanyl, but still - not stopping illicit drugs in our country isn't the compassionate choice.

[Doctorfever]

Maybe Canada is sending a bunch of marijuana to the states so they can be a part of our vibecession. Let’s send a Nickelback CD with every pound of weed!

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Azure

Canada isn't a serious country.

You're not a serious country until you've elected at least two TV and/or Movie stars to the highest office.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Maybe Canada is sending a bunch of marijuana to the states so they can be a part of our vibecession. Let’s send a Nickelback CD with every pound of weed!

Free pound of weed!
Awesome!
It comes with a Nickelback CD!

Uh, ya, nevermind. Not enough pot for that.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You are the guy arguing Canada can't do a thing about CO2 emissions because it is a drop in the international bucket, so why bother? Yet this minuscule amount of fentanyl compared to what comes across the southern border is such a huge issue it requires massive action from Canada?


I'm no saying we should nothing, I'm saying what we are doing looks to be pretty OK compared to the southern border.


We have a lot more guns coming into Canada illegally than they do fentanyl, for instance. Let's maybe focus on the important stuff?

What a dumb comparison.

I agree it is relatively small in comparison, but not something we should discount as a rounding error. Imagine how obtuse you have to be to look at it like that.

I also don't agree with the tariffs, but I also think Canada is turning a blind eye to what China is doing.

Fentanyl is a growing problem, and within 10 years will be much bigger than it is now in comparison to other drugs. To stick our head in the sand and say no big deal is about the dumbest, stupidest & moronic idea I've heard in a long time.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Also, the vast majority of seizure events are marijuana related. If there's a spike in any one-related drug in the past five years other than marijuana, then first, it got caught at the border, proving prevention policies are working. And second, that it's far less common when someone tries to do something that is far more nefarious and wholesale level smuggling than people simply bringing a bag of weed over the border.

This just isn't the panic-inducing attack that conservatives think it is.

Another dumb take.

Marijuana is a few years away from being a non-issue. The US is moving towards more legalization state by state, and that equals less crime associated with trafficking it.

Amazes me how literally ignorant you and Fuzz are coming across here not being able to admit that fentanyl is a growing MAJOR issue that will become an even bigger issue going forward because of how lax we are dealing with it, the Chinese and the money laundering associated with it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

You're not a serious country until you've elected at least two TV and/or Movie stars to the highest office.

Why the whataboutism?

Amazes me how Canadians continually compare themselves to the US.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Yeah. The man who had OD'd on the sidewalk outside the Safeway last night didn't feel like a rounding error - he felt like someones child where things had gone horribly wrong. Granted he had a pipe in his hands so probably not fentanyl, but still - not stopping illicit drugs in our country isn't the compassionate choice.

These random appeals to emotion are great but unfortunately don’t combat the reality, which is that the US/Canada border is not a significant concern for any drug including fentanyl.

The US seizes 10x more Marijuana, Cocaine, and Fentanyl in Coastal/Interior shipments than it does from Canada. It seizes 100+x more from the Mexican border.

Acknowledging that does not mean nothing should be done and they shouldn’t take it as seriously, but it certainly suggests that the Canadian border is not a problem relative to basically every other method drugs enter or are produced in the US.

[Ozy_Flame]

There's a difference between the danger of fentanyl itself and border seizures relating to the drug. Azure is conflating two different issues, and it clearly shows an amateurish take needing more education around border issues.

Fentanyl crossing from Canada to the US is not the big, bad border problem as Trump, conservatives, and anyone watching FOX and Newsmax claim it to be.

But if the US wants to ramp up fentanyl protection at the Canadian border, by all means. It's probably a sweet deal, you sit around and wait for fentanyl-related seizures to happen.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why the whataboutism?

Amazes me how Canadians continually compare themselves to the US.

Here's to hoping the libs run Celine Dion as a unifier in 2025

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

What a dumb comparison.

I agree it is relatively small in comparison, but not something we should discount as a rounding error. Imagine how obtuse you have to be to look at it like that.

I also don't agree with the tariffs, but I also think Canada is turning a blind eye to what China is doing.

Fentanyl is a growing problem, and within 10 years will be much bigger than it is now in comparison to other drugs. To stick our head in the sand and say no big deal is about the dumbest, stupidest & moronic idea I've heard in a long time.

I'm saying 64lbs(Northern border) vs ~70,000lbs(southern and other) is a rounding error. If the US really wants to tackle their illegal fentanyl import problem, it doesn't make a lot of sense to push resources to the northern border, does it?

[Azure]

From 2023, so this doesn't take into account the drug lab bust in BC a few weeks ago.

Again, a major issue, and something that the US 100% has the right to be concerned about, because we can automatically assume that most drug related trade is going to move away from weed as it is legalized.

The head of the RCMP unit responsible for fighting organized crime says Canada is not just a significant producer of fentanyl — we also export it.

Organized crime groups in Canada are using precursor chemicals to produce the deadly drug for both the domestic market and for sales abroad, Mathieu Bertrand said in an interview with CBC's The House airing Saturday.

"Sadly, Canada is a producing country of fentanyl and synthetic opioids. Not only are we a producing country, we're an exporting country," Bertrand told host Catherine Cullen.

Bertrand, chief superintendent of Serious and Organized Crime & Border Integrity at RCMP Federal Policing, said that while Canada has a problem with fentanyl imports, domestic production is what alarms police most at the moment. The fact that gangs in Canada are exporting fentanyl means either that there's a glut on the market here or there are more lucrative markets abroad, he added.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fen...port-1.7030758

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Yeah. The man who had OD'd on the sidewalk outside the Safeway last night didn't feel like a rounding error - he felt like someones child where things had gone horribly wrong. Granted he had a pipe in his hands so probably not fentanyl, but still - not stopping illicit drugs in our country isn't the compassionate choice.

Smoking fentanyl is the choice of usage, nowadays.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm saying 64lbs(Northern border) vs ~70,000lbs(southern and other) is a rounding error. If the US really wants to tackle their illegal fentanyl import problem, it doesn't make a lot of sense to push resources to the northern border, does it?

Actually, given that Canada is turning into a major producer of fentanyl, it does make sense for the US to push more resources to deal with it, not only at the border but within policing, federal agencies, port control, government collaboration, etc.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Azure

Canada isn't a serious country. Hasn't been for a while.

And the U.S. is? Lol. You saw who they just re-elected, right? And his cabinet picks are even more ridiculous. It's just an absolute clown show down there.

You seriously need to get a grip, dude. Get out of your ultra-conservative rage bubble every once in a while, go outside, go for a walk and breathe in some fresh air. Every post I've seen from you is just constant doom and gloom 24/7. Obsessing over this bulls*** will just drive you insane. Perhaps it already has.

[Ozy_Flame]

All three countries are putting more resources into it. Sounds like a serious effort to me, even if the vast majority of busts and seizures are not fentanyl-related.

Joint Statement from Mexico, Canada, and the United States Reaffirming Our Shared Commitment to Address the Regional Challenge of Synthetic Drugs and Firearms Trafficking

But the vast majority of fentanyl and/production chemicals are coming from the Southern border. Mexico and precursor chemicals from China coming through Mexico are the main driver. The DEA even says that Mexico remains the dominant source of finished fentanyl products, while Canada plays a minor role, often involving small-scale smuggling across its border.

And for context, more than 90% of interdicted fentanyl is stopped at Ports of Entry (POEs) where cartels attempt to smuggle it primarily in vehicles driven by U.S. citizens.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

Another dumb take.

Marijuana is a few years away from being a non-issue. The US is moving towards more legalization state by state, and that equals less crime associated with trafficking it.

Amazes me how literally ignorant you and Fuzz are coming across here not being able to admit that fentanyl is a growing MAJOR issue that will become an even bigger issue going forward because of how lax we are dealing with it, the Chinese and the money laundering associated with it.

Speaking of dumb takes.

Just this month, police shut down a Canadian super lab and seized 485 million dollars worth of drugs, including 54 kilograms of fentanyl.

Every year, with the sole exception being last year, Canada intercepts and seizes thousands of grams of fentanyl imported or produced domestically for export.

If anyone is ignorant, it would be the person pointing the finger at the Chinese while domestic production is the bigger problem, and one Canada is treating very seriously.

[Fuzz]

Oh look, someone wrote an article on it today backing up my point.

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, border patrol officers had 23,721 “encounters” with people along the Canadian border last year – this refers to the number of times they stopped people trying to cross the border without going through an official crossing.

That number was a sharp increase from 10,021 the year before and 2,238 the year before that. But it is small over all: By comparison, border patrol had 1,530,523 such encounters at the Mexican border last year, meaning the total number of unauthorized crossings of the U.S. border from Canada was less than 2 per cent of the number coming from Mexico.

Similarly, U.S. customs agents seized 43 pounds of fentanyl at the Canadian border last year. This represented less than 0.2 per cent of the total 21,900 pounds intercepted across the U.S. More than 96 per cent of that total, 21,100 pounds, was seized at the Mexican border.


Canada has already taken some action to stop migrants attempting to use the country to enter the U.S. Earlier this year, after CBP data showed about half of border guards’ encounters along the Canadian border were with Mexican nationals, Canada imposed a visa requirement on Mexicans entering the country.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...-what-to-know/

[Ozy_Flame]

The vast majority of domestically-produced fentanyl is for the Canadian market. It is a deadly, very dangerous drug that Canada needs to deal with. But exporting it to other countries is another issue and one that isn't as prominent as domestic trafficking.

Back to that graph, Homeland Security is reporting 43 lbs of Fentanyl was seized so far in 2024 at the Canadian border. 43 lbs. That's about a medium-sized suitcase all year. So either they're extremely crappy at stopping fentanyl from Canada (hence it's a U.S. problem), or it's just not happening in numbers people are having brainworm infections about.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Azure

From 2023, so this doesn't take into account the drug lab bust in BC a few weeks ago.

Again, a major issue, and something that the US 100% has the right to be concerned about, because we can automatically assume that most drug related trade is going to move away from weed as it is legalized.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fen...port-1.7030758

Your argument is Canada is turning a blind eye and doing nothing to combat it. To prove your point, you post an article about all the things Canada is doing to combat the importation of precursor chemicals and production?