2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Kevyn Adams loves Hellenius, it would take an offer we don’t want to make to pry him away.

If (When) Adams gets fired, the new GM may not have the same attachment.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kadri had 75 points last year and has had massive playoffs

tons of teams would want him...nobody is putting up huge numbers in the Flames system

I don't see it. His contract is too long.

[CochraneKurt]

Just wonder if anyone here has any takes on Dylan Cozens from Buffalo? ��

My goodness, next speculation please. Literally any of the 600+ players, I beg of you all.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Every one of their big contracts are either home grown or traded for.

Name that last biggest Free Agent signing they did?

There are no James Neal’s or Troy Browers.

They very much pick and choose how to spend their money carefully and let go as needed.


Letting Justin Faulk walk away and turn into an albatross for the blues.

Letting Teravainen go and sign a bit contract in Chicago.

Dougie Hamilton, Brett Pesce, Jake Guentzal.

They don’t over pay and over term, and continue to have players in the system ready to fill in those spots instead.

We’re kind of moving the goalposts, first it was just say no to free agents, now it’s “big contracts.”

But as pointed out, Orlov is the obvious one.

Then you’re looking at guys like Gostisbehere, Walker and Andersen, and big contracts guys they traded for like Burns and Kotkaniemi.

Then you can go back through the last couple years and you’ve got Bunting, Pacioretty, DeAngelo, etc.

It’s not like they have the luxury of going free agent shopping most years or holding onto all those guys. They’re capped out.

And they definitely overpay and over term. They have a whack of guys they’re paying into their late late 30s and their entire D core (save Chatfield, who is 28) is over 30 (with the youngest of those being signed into the mid-late 30s).

I get that the vision gets cloudy just seeing their top 4 highest paid forwards under 30 and all drafted by them, but there’s actually more players on the team than that.

[Strange Brew]

The best years of Kadri's contract are slowly being used by the Flames. 4 years left at age 35 next season, that's definitely a factor for any team looking to acquire him.

Last year there were 12 players aged 237 and older playing in the league. I'd say only two, Ovechkin and Malkin would be worth the $7 million Kadri is making. And he's definitely not those guys.

IMO there is no way a team is taking on that contract without Flames doing something in return.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Is Kadri not good or is he just not the right fit for this team? I think it's more an effort thing than a talent thing.

If Kadri is starting to quit on the the team then they better move him ASAP if they can before he becomes another Neal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The best years of Kadri's contract are slowly being used by the Flames. 4 years left at age 35 next season, that's definitely a factor for any team looking to acquire him.

Last year there were 12 players aged 237 and older playing in the league. I'd say only two, Ovechkin and Malkin would be worth the $7 million Kadri is making. And he's definitely not those guys.

IMO there is no way a team is taking on that contract without Flames doing something in return.

TBF, 237 is really really old.

Seriously, I don’t think anyone would be looking at the last year of Kadri. They’d keep the next couple to try and use him to win a cup and then buy him out. The question would be if Calgary would eat salary retention for 4 more years on him.

[Vinny01]

I would be surprised if the Flames moved any of the veteran 6 outside of Rasmus this season. I could see them trading Kadri in the summer if a deal presents itself especially with a rising cap where a team could possibly fit a $7M player as their 3C depending how they are built but if we see a massive jump in the cap it makes a deal more palatable for a few teams.

I think both the Flames and Huberdeau would welcome a divorce if it could be brokered. I don’t think the Flames trade him for anything but if they can shave multiple years off of the 6 years of remaining term I could see them taking on more salary for a shorter term to make it happen, hence the Penguins trade I proposed last night.

Backlund I think is here to stay but I could see both him and the team having a long look at things next deadline when he is a pending UFA. I could also see another extension where Backs plays here until he is 39-40 hoping to compete with this team one last time. Regehr eventually got a cup but Iggy and Gio didn’t have much luck after they left.

Weegar is here as long as he is willing to stay. To me he is the last of the veteran 6 to trade and that only happens if he asks for it

Coleman makes sense to keep for now with the term he has left. If he demands a move you look at it but he needs to up his play to get the type of return where it makes sense for the Flames to move.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Red Wings already have two one-dimensional veteran wingers who can't score or drive play in Kane and Tarasenko. I don't think Kuzmenko will help them at all.

And I'd want to be paid to take on the Compher deal at this point.

Yep,

Kuzmenko is a tough trade, in my opinion it won't happen until the trade deadline,

If he is moved, return is going to be low...

Draft pick

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by CochraneKurt

Just wonder if anyone here has any takes on Dylan Cozens from Buffalo? ��

My goodness, next speculation please. Literally any of the 600+ players, I beg of you all.

I'm sorry to bore you with some factual information that's being shared with me, I personally would rather not speculate on things that are not true/unknown just for the sake of doing so but that's just me.

Unfortunately Buffalo is the one team right now who have confirmed that they're both open for business and open to make "big moves". This because Adams is on the hot seat to get that team moving along. They've simply been rebuilding for far too long and its not working. So the green light has been given to use quality assets for quality veterans that fit a win now mold for them.

Sadly there's no other teams out there right now that are being so open and honest in sharing their "moves" if you will.

I personally share what I can, if its not what you want to hear I'd ask you put me on ignore so that I do not bother you with what I'm sharing on the site, I know its not always exciting and extravagant but hopefully some people enjoy it.

With that said, I'm not even sure if Cozens name is actually concretely out there right now, I simply implied that his name was on the board in the summer but things have changed by now and the value of these players is likely significantly lower on both sides (CGY/BUF) outside of Rasmus whos value continues to rise.

I'm not sure there's a team out there that would trade a 1st for Cozen's straight up due to the contract at this point and the ones that would cant fit him due to cap constraints.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I really don't think it's an effort thing with Kadri. But when things aren't going well, his bad habits creep in even more, including trying to do it all himself.
But i don't see a lack of effort there.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by flambers

Yep,

Kuzmenko is a tough trade, in my opinion it won't happen until the trade deadline,

If he is moved, return is going to be low...

Draft pick

I was hoping for a 2nd but with how he has looked probably in the 4th range

[CochraneKurt]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'm sorry to bore you with some factual information that's being shared with me, I personally would rather not speculate on things that are not true/unknown just for the sake of doing so but that's just me.

Unfortunately Buffalo is the one team right now who have confirmed that they're both open for business and open to make "big moves". This because Adams is on the hot seat to get that team moving along. They've simply been rebuilding for far too long and its not working. So the green light has been given to use quality assets for quality veterans that fit a win now mold for them.

Sadly there's no other teams out there right now that are being so open and honest in sharing their "moves" if you will.

I personally share what I can, if its not what you want to hear I'd ask you put me on ignore so that I do not bother you with what I'm sharing on the site, I know its not always exciting and extravagant but hopefully some people enjoy it.

With that said, I'm not even sure if Cozens name is actually concretely out there right now, I simply implied that his name was on the board in the summer but things have changed by now and the value of these players is likely significantly lower on both sides (CGY/BUF) outside of Rasmus whos value continues to rise.

I'm not sure there's a team out there that would trade a 1st for Cozen's straight up due to the contract at this point and the ones that would cant fit him due to cap constraints.

This has 0% to do with your posts and simply the endless back and forth about Cozens from others repeating their opinions to the point of insanity. Trust me, your posts are amazing.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would be surprised if the Flames moved any of the veteran 6 outside of Rasmus this season. I could see them trading Kadri in the summer if a deal presents itself especially with a rising cap where a team could possibly fit a $7M player as their 3C depending how they are built but if we see a massive jump in the cap it makes a deal more palatable for a few teams.

I think both the Flames and Huberdeau would welcome a divorce if it could be brokered. I don’t think the Flames trade him for anything but if they can shave multiple years off of the 6 years of remaining term I could see them taking on more salary for a shorter term to make it happen, hence the Penguins trade I proposed last night.

I'm fairly skeptical about being able to move Kadri or at least getting anything of value back (which makes moving him kind of pointless right now). But compared to Huberdeau he's half way out the door. I don't see any GM, no matter how desperate, looking at Huby and saying that guy is the piece I need to add. And that's even before considering his contract, which is almost totally forbidding of any kind of move. Third year in a row he looks like a nothing player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We need to look at it from the other sides perspective as well.

Outside of Weegar, Andersson, Coleman and Backlund are teams looking at our vets and targeting them. A few would have to come with retained salary as well.

I mean the league does have some terrible GM's namely Bowman, Trotz, Treliving, and Adams so you never say never. One of them traded for a 35-year-old defenceman and gave him a 6-year deal.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I'm fairly skeptical about being able to move Kadri or at least getting anything of value back (which makes moving him kind of pointless right now). But compared to Huberdeau he's half way out the door. I don't see any GM, no matter how desperate, looking at Huby and saying that guy is the piece I need to add. And that's even before considering his contract, which is almost totally forbidding of any kind of move. Third year in a row he looks like a nothing player.

The biggest challenge with Kadri is his NMC. Leafs and Avs maybe? Leafs might have a spot in the offseason

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do wonder if Buffalo just called every NHL GM today and said "You can have Cozens for a 1st round pick" how many teams would actually be interested in that offer?

My gut is it's actually a lot less than we'd expect because of the terms remaining on that $7.1M contract.

NHL is very much a "what have you done for me lately" league and Cozens last 100 games over the last season and 1/5 of this season would make a lot of GMs hesitant to take on that contract.

I can't see his value being much more than the equivalent of a 1st right now. Some teams would be willing to take the risk on his upside just needing a change of scenary but it's still a decent sized risk.

Seriously doubt that.

The cap is set to grow considerably as early as next year and it looks like it will continue to grow. $7.1 for a C whose contract is set to expire when he is 29 years old, even if he only turns out to be a 3C, is going to be great value. Is he going to get you a top half of the 1st round pick? Probably not but I think there would be several teams interested in moving anything in the 20’s for Couzens. If I were Buffalo, I would not take anything less.

Could you imagine if the Flames gave up on Backlund at 23?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Seriously doubt that.

The cap is set to grow considerably as early as next year and it looks like it will continue to grow. $7.1 for a C whose contract is set to expire when he is 29 years old, even if he only turns out to be a 3C, is going to be great value. Is he going to get you a top half of the 1st round pick? Probably not but I think there would be several teams interested in moving anything in the 20’s for Couzens. If I were Buffalo, I would take anything less.

Could you imagine if the Flames gave up on Backlund at 23?

But that's the problem..most teams with picks in the 20s wouldn't even have the cap space to make that trade without sending some type of salary back...and they are likely the ones most interested in a deal like that.

The only teams with cap space to even make it work (right now) are San Jose, Montreal, Utah, Columbus, Calgary, and Anaheim.

Personally I'd have no issue with the Flames moving the NJD 1st for him.

But it's also where I think Andersson holds much more value, because just a 1st in the 20s would be a terrible return for him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Seriously doubt that.

The cap is set to grow considerably as early as next year and it looks like it will continue to grow. $7.1 for a C whose contract is set to expire when he is 29 years old, even if he only turns out to be a 3C, is going to be great value. Is he going to get you a top half of the 1st round pick? Probably not but I think there would be several teams interested in moving anything in the 20’s for Couzens. If I were Buffalo, I would not take anything less.

Could you imagine if the Flames gave up on Backlund at 23?

Backlund makes others around him better. So far Cozens is not showing the same.

Also, it's easy to say well if he doesn't work out as a top 6 player worse case, he's a 3C.

3C are pretty important and can touch the game in a lot of ways, killing penalties, playing against the other team's top lines.

We have Huberdeau on the books for the entire time as well. Will have other players to pay.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Backlund makes others around him better. So far Cozens is not showing the same.

Also, it's easy to say well if he doesn't work out as a top 6 player worse case, he's a 3C.

3C are pretty important and can touch the game in a lot of ways, killing penalties, playing against the other team's top lines.

We have Huberdeau on the books for the entire time as well. Will have other players to pay.

I do hope Conroy is smarter at managing the cap than Treliving is… so far, it looks like he is based on his strong stance on term for vets. Treliving over-paying UFAs lead to shorter deals for young players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk. The flames have lots of cap space right now but it can fill up really quickly when players like Zary, Coronato and Wolf need new contracts. If these players continue to develop on their current trajectories, I hope Conroy goes the route of signing long-term contracts instead of short ones. I know there are risks to that (Cozens for example)… but if they project them to be core pieces for the team then lock them in earlier and for longer if possible. Use the bridge deals on the young players only if you’re uncertain what a player is projecting to be - not because it saves you money to sign other players right now.