2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Because they sign players who aren’t “home grown” during free agency all the time.

Every one of their big contracts are either home grown or traded for.

Name that last biggest Free Agent signing they did?

There are no James Neal’s or Troy Browers.

They very much pick and choose how to spend their money carefully and let go as needed.


Letting Justin Faulk walk away and turn into an albatross for the blues.

Letting Teravainen go and sign a bit contract in Chicago.

Dougie Hamilton, Brett Pesce, Jake Guentzal.

They don’t over pay and over term, and continue to have players in the system ready to fill in those spots instead.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You think someone wants Huberdeau for 10.5M and playing at a 40 point pace ?

I think it is unlikely yea but there is likely no team more desperate than Pittsburgh and they could turn 2 horrible contracts into one while also adding a goalie that is an upgrade on what they are shipping out. Vladar could be flipped by them again.

Ultimately it would be a risk to think Huberdeau would be able to be better in a new situation. I do think Huberdeau is untradeable but I see a team like the Pens would be willing to take a risk due to their commitment to try and make the playoffs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think it is unlikely yea but there is likely no team more desperate than Pittsburgh and they could turn 2 horrible contracts into one while also adding a goalie that is an upgrade on what they are shipping out. Vladar could be flipped by them again.

Ultimately it would be a risk to think Huberdeau would be able to be better in a new situation. I do think Huberdeau is untradeable but I see a team like the Pens would be willing to take a risk due to their commitment to try and make the playoffs.

Do you think Dubas owners would let him add to his stable of boat anchors but this time much longer?

He got Karlsson and that did nothing.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We are not talking about Cozens for Zary. You said you take Cozens for Andersson as a buy low.

Andersson is by far the better player and it’s not close. Not only that the massive contract Conzens comes with.

Also Zary has just started his career and is showing some significant progress while Cozens is showing some serious regression.

Honestly when we played Buffalo I had to check the stat sheet to see if Cozens even played.

I think he's trying to make the point that we value Zary highly, and they're somewhat comparable players given their age and production, so to say Cozens is a cap dump is silly.

Frankly, I agree that thinking Cozens is a cap dump is a bonkers take.


You can't just compare two players and their value based on their production over the course of 1/5 of the most recent season.

How was Rasmus from the ages of 18-24? How was Rasmus last season? What is Cozens s% this year compared to his average (Half)? What is Rasmus's (well over double)? What's their respective xGF and xGA?


Their value is way closer then you're giving credit for.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

I think he's trying to make the point that we value Zary highly, and they're somewhat comparable players given their age and production, so to say Cozens is a cap dump is silly.

Frankly, I agree that thinking Cozens is a cap dump is a bonkers take.


You can't just compare two players and their value based on their production over the course of 1/5 of the most recent season.

How was Rasmus from the ages of 18-24? How was Rasmus last season? What is Cozens s% this year compared to his average (Half)? What is Rasmus's (well over double)? What's their respective xGF and xGA?


Their value is way closer then you're giving credit for.

SuperMatt shares the underlying metrics are bad 2 years and counting and he rode a huge shooting % when he scored 31. It’s a few pages back.

I don’t think we need to dig up Andersson. He’s a legit player with no questions. He can score and he can defend. He’s on a cheap deal.

So how is that buying low?

[Royle9]

Kevyn Adams loves Hellenius, it would take an offer we don’t want to make to pry him away. They went into the draft with him as their #1 target and got him, he’s been very vocal on lack of desire to trade that asset.

I feel like if it’s a Cozens trade then we’d see far more than a 1 for 1 including Buffalo wanting a center back. Adam’s is in a weird spot right now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Kevyn Adams loves Hellenius, it would take an offer we don’t want to make to pry him away. They went into the draft with him as their #1 target and got him, he’s been very vocal on lack of desire to trade that asset.

I feel like if it’s a Cozens trade then we’d see far more than a 1 for 1 including Buffalo wanting a center back. Adam’s is in a weird spot right now.

The only centre the Flames have that would make sense to send back is Kadri and that isn’t happening

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya trading a dman who has 4 fewer points than an alleged top 6 center since the start of the 23/24 season and having the top 6 center make 2.6 million more for this season and next season and then having that center for another 4 years is definitely not buying low. Rasmus could well end up with more points than Cozens by the end of this season.

The Flames already have a better cheaper top 6 center in Kadri and folks want to get rid of him.

No.

Kadri is 34, on pace for 42 points, and has 4 years on his contract beyond this season.

Kadri is not good, his contract is not good, and for all the hooplah around last season - he quit on this team in Year 1, and his Year 3 pretty much looks like he's doing the same.

[Junglist]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No.

Kadri is 34, on pace for 42 points, and has 4 years on his contract beyond this season.

Kadri is not good, his contract is not good, and for all the hooplah around last season - he quit on this team in Year 1, and his Year 3 pretty much looks like he's doing the same.

Cozens is no good. Flash in the pan season with two better forwards.
He’s a plug 3rd liner.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Junglist

Cozens is no good. Flash in the pan season with two better forwards.
He’s a plug 3rd liner.

Sure - if that's your read on the player, but I'd still take Cozens on his contract over Kadri on his contract 10 out of 10 times. I get dumping on Cozens, by all means - but Kadri is not good, and is not better than Cozens. Want to argue equal? Sure, go for it - but when you look at projecting the players over the next season or the next 4 seasons, I know who I'd bet on being better.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No.

Kadri is 34, on pace for 42 points, and has 4 years on his contract beyond this season.

Kadri is not good, his contract is not good, and for all the hooplah around last season - he quit on this team in Year 1, and his Year 3 pretty much looks like he's doing the same.

Cozens is on pace for 32 points. Not sure if he has quit on his team or if he just is not very good but it is a worse pace than Kadri.

[TheScorpion]

Is Kadri not good or is he just not the right fit for this team? I think it's more an effort thing than a talent thing.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Is Kadri not good or is he just not the right fit for this team? I think it's more an effort thing than a talent thing.

He's 34. I'd argue Father Time is the biggest player at hand. The fact that at that age the compete level/dedication seems to be a concern, regardless of whether you write that off as being a wrong fit or whatever, is unforgiveable.

[dino7c]

Kadri had 75 points last year and has had massive playoffs

tons of teams would want him...nobody is putting up huge numbers in the Flames system

[V1nnyTh3Flam35Fan]

Trade Andrei Kuzmenko, Dan Vladar and 2nd round pick 2024 to Detroit for JT Compher (a right shot centre as Craig Conroy prefers)

Lineup after trade
Zary/Kadri/Coronato
Huberdeau/Compher/Sharangovich
Pelletier/Backlund/Coleman
Lomberg/Kirkland/Pospisil

Weegar/Miromanov
Bahl/Andersson
Bean/Pachal

Wolf/Cooley

Substitutes: Hanley, Barrie, Rooney

[TheScorpion]

The Red Wings already have two one-dimensional veteran wingers who can't score or drive play in Kane and Tarasenko. I don't think Kuzmenko will help them at all.

And I'd want to be paid to take on the Compher deal at this point.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ped

Yeah, the Canes are pretty quick to trade you if they feel you don't fall in their cap structure.

They are also quick to lose in the 2nd round...

I know they are thought of as the smartest franchise around but they need something to push them over the top soon

[My2Cents]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They are also quick to lose in the 2nd round...

I know they are thought of as the smartest franchise around but they need something to push them over the top soon

True, but I would rather always be at the dance then blow everything on one dance. It takes a lot of luck to win the cup and so far they may not have had it.

Of course we cannot exactly copy one organization, but I like so many elements of what Carolina is doing.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Name that last biggest Free Agent signing they did?

Orlov

[SuperMatt18]

I do wonder if Buffalo just called every NHL GM today and said "You can have Cozens for a 1st round pick" how many teams would actually be interested in that offer?

My gut is it's actually a lot less than we'd expect because of the terms remaining on that $7.1M contract.

NHL is very much a "what have you done for me lately" league and Cozens last 100 games over the last season and 1/5 of this season would make a lot of GMs hesitant to take on that contract.

I can't see his value being much more than the equivalent of a 1st right now. Some teams would be willing to take the risk on his upside just needing a change of scenary but it's still a decent sized risk.