American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Without a doubt less, him and his administration say it. I am not pro Trump!

I do think we gotten a little off topic but I do think that some of RFK's messaging is resonating with more people than some like to think.

Personally I don't follow him at all or even care but he does have an audience and a larger one at that.

If you don’t follow him and don’t care, it seems weird to know some of his talking points and targets and share in his critiques. It seems even weirder to be arguing this after arguing the Dems were stupid for not bringing him into the fold and leaving with a “wealth of information.”

Maybe you should actually look up what kinds of things he’s actually against.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Should we get rid of vaccines?

Probably best to not. Again, I am not a big Trump supporter or a RFK fan/disciple.

I also think both things could be true? We can have modern vaccines/medicine while also reforming certain things within the FDA/Government/ food system/ drug providers/healthcare system and maybe more.

Seems..........balanced?

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Probably best to not. Again, I am not a big Trump supporter or a RFK fan/disciple.

I also think both things could be true? We can have modern vaccines/medicine while also reforming certain things within the FDA/Government/ food system/ drug providers/healthcare system and maybe more.

Seems..........balanced?

RFK Jr and balanced aren't a thing.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Probably best to not. Again, I am not a big Trump supporter or a RFK fan/disciple.

I also think both things could be true? We can have modern vaccines/medicine while also reforming certain things within the FDA/Government/ food system/ drug providers/healthcare system and maybe more.

Seems..........balanced?

Please, go into specifics about this balance. I want to see your homework.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

From the bottom of my heart, I am not! I think that is what a lot of people on this board and in general have kinda missed with things. A lot of things get missed politically when your not on top of things that are a significant matter to a lot of people.

You thought I was probably joking about the FDA and approval of E-Cigs and their direct quotes.

You read articles from legit sources like this https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/21/h...nse/index.html

and you really wonder what organizations like the FDA are really working for.

I don't care about RFK or whatever. He is like gum on the bottom of my shoe, I don't care. I don't care if anyone wants to smoke C-cigs or whatever. Let them do it until the cows come home or the worst cancer death comes to fruition.

People can do whatever they want. I am still stunned people can't see that there is a problem in America. Hell, take the American bias out and let's talk about Health Canada vs FDA vs EU rules. There is a boatload of products that are officially declared unsafe in Canada and the EU vs America's FDA. Anybody have any legit reasons why this may be? Are Canadians and Europeans just that stupid?

Or is it just that the FDA , food companies and other lobbyist are beyond brutal in keeping Americans safe from foods and drugs. That's probably why America is pretty much alone in considering that pizza/tomato paste as a vegetable from official government sources.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...-flna1c9453097

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ngress-says-so

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...s-on-the-sauce

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pizza...ools-1.1089258

Man, this is why you are so frustrating. Why? Because Republicans have been allowing it for decades. This is from 2011.

The Washington Post today reported that on Tuesday night 28 Republicans and one Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee approved an amendment to an appropriations bill that would hamstring FDA’s authority to keep toxic chemicals and contaminants out of the food supply.

https://www.nrdc.org/bio/jonathan-ka...nants-our-food

But maybe Trump will fix it!

Federal agencies under Trump have slowed down food safety enforcement across the board. In the first two-and-a-half years of the administration, the number of warning letters sent by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to companies dropped by about a third compared to the previous administration. Warning letters are one key tool used to prevent tainted items from entering the food supply. The number of letters sent from the FDA’s Food Safety & Applied Nutrition division dropped 37 percent.

https://civileats.com/2020/11/02/how...d-and-farming/

A growing chorus of environmental groups and public health experts are slamming the Trump administration for its milquetoast response to the widespread problem of per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), a family of toxic “forever chemicals” that are linked to serious diseases and have contaminated food products and drinking water across the country.

https://truthout.org/articles/trumps...d-experts-say/

In fewer than five months, ever since the Covid-19 outbreak was declared a pandemic, the Trump administration has taken a number of significant steps to deregulate the food system. Citing unprecedented disruptions, federal agencies have rolled restrictions back on various segments of food production—from labor protections for meatpacking workers to food labeling requirements for manufacturers. Predictably, industry representatives have welcomed these moves, arguing that less bureaucracy makes it easier for food to get harvested, processed, and delivered to our dinner tables. But advocates for food safety, labor, and consumer health worry that these deregulatory actions come at high cost—one borne mostly by food workers and the environment.

https://thecounter.org/trump-adminis...a-line-speeds/

So you can see that Republicans have continually worked against food safety, Trump being one of the worst. But now they will fix it?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Without a doubt less, him and his administration say it. I am not pro Trump!

I do think we gotten a little off topic but I do think that some of RFK's messaging is resonating with more people than some like to think.

Personally I don't follow him at all or even care but he does have an audience and a larger one at that.

I guess I am not sure then what you think bringing in RFK will accomplish. Trump isn’t going to regulate anything. At best you’ll see even less rigour in food and drug testing and quality control.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you don’t follow him and don’t care, it seems weird to know some of his talking points and targets and share in his critiques. It seems even weirder to be arguing this after arguing the Dems were stupid for not bringing him into the fold and leaving with a “wealth of information.”

Maybe you should actually look up what kinds of things he’s actually against.

You don't need to be an RFK fan to know that America is the ****s in this regard. You need a working brain to see it without bias. Take whatever year you want before RFK/Trump/ Covid or whatever other dumb thing that has come along in recent years to know that America has an issue.

Have you ever been to America? It is common to literally have couples that weight more than a car load of (insert countries peoples)

This is not an RFK/ Trump pro theme! Try and process that as much as possible.

America is in a category all alone in this regard and has been LONG BEFORE Trump, RFK or whomever was in any position of power. On the flip side, I don't think they are really going to fix anything but I can see where some things could use a shaking up so to speak.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Curves, do you think Trump supports more regulations or less regulations?

The answer is yes to both, it just depends on if he and his friends stand to benefit from regulation or deregulation in a given area.

[Looch City]

It's all about body autonomy in the end.

Vaccinations should be my choice.

Similarly, abortions should be my choice.

Wait, no...

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Looch City

It's all about body autonomy in the end.

Vaccinations should be my choice.

Similarly, abortions should be my choice.

Wait, no...

When have vaccinations not been by choice?

[activeStick]

The timing of this post by Cory Booker is interesting

https://twitter.com/user/status/1858493341416968617

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When have vaccinations not been by choice?

I think their argument is that MAGA was against covid vaccinations because they argued it should be their choice, but yet MAGA also believes that abortions shouldn't be allowed. I think?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When have vaccinations not been by choice?

I think his point is if vaccinations are a choice, why not abortions too? More GOP hypocrisy.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

You don't need to be an RFK fan to know that America is the ****s in this regard. You need a working brain to see it without bias. Take whatever year you want before RFK/Trump/ Covid or whatever other dumb thing that has come along in recent years to know that America has an issue.

Have you ever been to America? It is common to literally have couples that weight more than a car load of (insert countries peoples)

This is not an RFK/ Trump pro theme! Try and process that as much as possible.

America is in a category all alone in this regard and has been LONG BEFORE Trump, RFK or whomever was in any position of power. On the flip side, I don't think they are really going to fix anything but I can see where some things could use a shaking up so to speak.

You entered this conversation with the following:

I think in this situation some people may be a little upset as to some of the basic messaging of what RFK and people who want better for the USA in terms of food, are saying.

Forget what RFK thought about vaccines and a lot of other things, the Democrats were stupid to dismiss him and some of his supporters (not me) Some aspects of what he is saying is 100% accurate and people can see it and feel it every single day either through their corrupt food system, the corrupt pharma system and a lot more.

It would have been wise for the Democrats to actually take RFK's meeting about a potential seat at the table in a Harris administration and walk away with an army of information. Pretending everything is hunky dory with food companies and drug companies in America isn't honest.

You then try to move off RFK, saying it doesn’t matter who brings these problems to the table… when it absolutely matters, because “the fix” is just as important as the problem, and his fixes (and many of the things he has deemed a problem) are incredibly terrible.

Like, hell, you just posted a bunch of articles about tomato paste being counted as a vegetable without any realization of the fact that it was the USDA trying to restrict things like salt and alter pizza ingredients so they had at least some nutritional value for children’s meals and it was the REPUBLICANS who are now in power who effectively kyboshed those changes lol.

You’re literally blaming the people trying to protect Americans from diseases, drugs, bad medication, food borne illnesses, etc, and saying they need a “shaking up” while saying the people who actively work against those protections are the ones to do it.

Your position just isn’t logic based, at all. It’s very easy to recognize a problem, which you’ve done (congrats) but then you’ve made the classic mistake of blaming the people trying to fix or contain the problem and turned to the people making it worse for answers. Total nonsense.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When have vaccinations not been by choice?

No one was forcing them to get it, ever.

However, many anti-vaxxers thought they were being severely oppressed because they couldn't get into certain bars or restaurants (private businesses) because of their detrimental health choices. Personally I liked it and supported it; there are (surprise!) consequences for your selfish actions.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The ironic thing is that the vaccines got developed under Trumps administration. Operation warp speed was Trump.

The roll out and such came under Biden.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Food policy is being weaponized. Unfortunately, history has shown us what happens when it's in the wrong hands.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The ironic thing is that the vaccines got developed under Trumps administration. Operation warp speed was Trump.

The roll out and such came under Biden.

It's actually hilarious watching Trump navigate around this whenever it comes up. He wants, so badly, to talk about it, because it was under his team that the vaccines came in such a short amount of time, yet he also knows a huge part of his base are against it. Can't remember which interview it was, but he even said talked about it for a 30-40 seconds and quickly pivoted away saying he shouldn't talk about that lol.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Man, this is why you are so frustrating. Why? Because Republicans have been allowing it for decades. This is from 2011.


https://www.nrdc.org/bio/jonathan-ka...nants-our-food

But maybe Trump will fix it!

https://civileats.com/2020/11/02/how...d-and-farming/


https://truthout.org/articles/trumps...d-experts-say/


https://thecounter.org/trump-adminis...a-line-speeds/

So you can see that Republicans have continually worked against food safety, Trump being one of the worst. But now they will fix it?

I am frustrating to you because you think I am coming from this in a political angle and you think I am some Conservative, anti vax, right wing nut job. That is your BIAS showing.

I will repeat again that this is not a pro Trump, RFK thing cause it's not really comprehending for you. The food system and healthcare/ drug providers in Canada are almost as bad as Canada and getting worse! That is not an American political issue. Let them all die the worst possible death known to man on both sides of the political aisle. All PIGS have the same noses

Just because you can't pin me down in a political thread does not mean that the richest country in the world, with the best minds, most expensive healthcare system, world class scientists and researchers and more, comes in a pretty pathetic ranking in terms of overall health and life expectancy.


I will move on from this topic as I seriously seem to be arguing that basic foods containing 400 ingredients are considered "safe" by the FDA and that vaping is somehow "appropriate for public health" and that a country where insulin costs approached something like $30 billion a year is considered normal. Absolutely nothing that can be improved in this system according to multiple posters. No funny business happening here, everything and everybody in government is on the up and up and on both sides of the political spectrum too. How lovely that is.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by activeStick

It's actually hilarious watching Trump navigate around this whenever it comes up. He wants, so badly, to talk about it, because it was under his team that the vaccines came in such a short amount of time, yet he also knows a huge part of his base are against it. Can't remember which interview it was, but he even said talked about it for a 30-40 seconds and quickly pivoted away saying he shouldn't talk about that lol.

Kind of like when people ask him about hating electric cars. Now that he is in Musk’s pocket, he avoids it like the plague.