American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Lanny_McDonald]

The Trump cabinet selections have been absolutely brutal and have only one goal; destroy government from the inside out. If you haven't been paying attention, and it appears not many have been, the whole goal of the RW think tank community has been to destroy the government and let the market - nee new-day robber barons - "fix" the problems. They don't care about correcting the small problems that exist in government agencies, they want to use thermonuclear devices to wipe those agencies off the map. The think tank community has been proposing this for decades, but most people haven't been listening or given a ####. Now that we have a nutjob in the White House again, and one who is so entrenched with one of those think tanks, the agenda is going to be rammed through as quickly as possible. Hence the other nutjobs with zero expertise or functioning braincells being nominated for those roles. The only thing between the complete collapse of important chunks of the government.

Just for background, these are the departments under attack and who created them.

Food and Drug Administration (1906) - created by Theodore Roosevelt (R), employs >18,000 people
Department of Education (1980) - created by Jimmy Carter (D), supported by Ronald Reagan (R), employs <4,000 people
Internal Revenue Service (1862) - created by Abraham Lincoln (R), employs >93,000 people
Health and Human Services (1979) - was originally the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, created in 1953 by Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) and then reorganized into HHS in 1979 by Jimmy Carter (D), employs >83,000 people
Environmental Protection Agency (1970) - created by Richard M. Nixon (R), employs >14,000 people
Department of the Interior (1849) - created by Zachary Taylor (W), employs >67,000 people
Department of Justice (1870) - was established in 1789 with the founding of the nation, but became a full-blown cabinet level position in 1870 under Ulysses Grant (R), employs >113,000 people
Department of State (1775) - created with the Articles of Confederation, employs >77,000 people, >12,000 in the United States
Department of Homeland Security (2002) - created by George W. Bush (R), emplys >240,000 people

Plus, he wants to eliminate these bodies as well.

The African Development Foundation, the Appalachian Regional Commission, the Chemical Safety Board, the Corporation for National and Community Service, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the Delta Regional Authority, the Denali Commission, the Institute of Museum and Library Services, the Inter-American Foundation, the U.S. Trade and Development Agency, the Legal Services Corporation, the National Endowment for the Arts, the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation, the Northern Border Regional Commission, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the United States Institute of Peace, the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness, and the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

This isn't taking apart institutions put in play by Democrats, this is taking apart bodies that have been put in play, mostly by Republicans, to benefit all Americans and safeguard our nation.

Make no mistake, these changes are intended to weaken government so it will fail. This has nothing to do with trying to improve government, this is do damage to the foundation and hope the whole thing comes crashing down itself where the "free market" can profiteer on the backs of American tax payers.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Sliver

This food conversation is the most boring topic in the history of CP.

I mean, you must have missed some of the Star Wars threads where the minute details get debated.

[Muta]

I've taken a huge break from following political news since the election, and it's been absolutely amazing / refreshing. Back in it now for ten minutes, and I am already exhausted from seeing the orange maggot and his right-wing Republican nutjob zealots attempting again to destroy the US - with their followers following gleefully like the idiots they are, hook line and sinker. They have already clearly entered the '#### around' phase, and are only weeks away from the start of the 'find out' phase.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

HAHAHAHAHA

Electing MAGA isn't going to fcuking change access to healthcare, in fact is about to get way worse, more and more Americans are going to struggle accessing healthcare.


Also, if you want to say something "isn't conspiracy" maybe find better words than "Big Pharma" that's just lazy and weak.

I don't think electing MAGA is going to solve healthcare of anything along those lines. As I have said before, this isn't a Pro Trump or RFK post. You and others posters are trying to spin this as something it isn't.

I don't know what is going to happen with the US now with this election result, maybe it stays the same basket case it was before with healthcare, health outcomes, medical insurance, quality food supply issues in poverty areas and more. These are all long standing issues that are not politically divided. It's not like one side has gone in and ever revolutionized things in the above. I am not taking sides or laying blame or anything like that but I can see where enough people pay closer attention when people voice concerns they share.

Big pharma, little pharma, medium pharma, whatever your thoughts on this matter is doesn't change the daily battle American's are faced with everyday. Every single day it's a battle with insurance companies and drug providers. Dr recommends this, insurance won't pay for it because it's expensive and not covered and on and on and on. This isn't a left or right issue although sometimes people make it to be.

I just think that there is a significant apatite for change when it comes to things in this regard for a lot of people. People don't want to hand over unreasonable sums of money for medications, people want to make basic, informed decisions on good food without having to jump through a million hoops and a lot more. Farmers want to be able to provide good products without fear and repercussions from agro corporations and they want to be paid well for their hard work, not the peanuts they do now while the brokers and the corporations make the big bucks.

Whomever is able to meaningfully improve things above either in this term or in another administration (Rep or Democrat) should be commended

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I don't think electing MAGA is going to solve healthcare of anything along those lines. As I have said before, this isn't a Pro Trump or RFK post. You and others posters are trying to spin this as something it isn't.

I don't know what is going to happen with the US now with this election result, maybe it stays the same basket case it was before with healthcare, health outcomes, medical insurance, quality food supply issues in poverty areas and more. These are all long standing issues that are not politically divided. It's not like one side has gone in and ever revolutionized things in the above. I am not taking sides or laying blame or anything like that but I can see where enough people pay closer attention when people voice concerns they share.

Big pharma, little pharma, medium pharma, whatever your thoughts on this matter is doesn't change the daily battle American's are faced with everyday. Every single day it's a battle with insurance companies and drug providers. Dr recommends this, insurance won't pay for it because it's expensive and not covered and on and on and on. This isn't a left or right issue although sometimes people make it to be.

I just think that there is a significant apatite for change when it comes to things in this regard for a lot of people. People don't want to hand over unreasonable sums of money for medications, people want to make basic, informed decisions on good food without having to jump through a million hoops and a lot more. Farmers want to be able to provide good products without fear and repercussions from agro corporations and they want to be paid well for their hard work, not the peanuts they do now while the brokers and the corporations make the big bucks.

Whomever is able to meaningfully improve things above either in this term or in another administration (Rep or Democrat) should be commended

You know these are all battles the Democrats continue to fight, and the Republicans continue to make worse, right?

[activeStick]

Murica is back, baby!!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1858379469796339722

https://twitter.com/user/status/1857918224328778133

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The only thing worse than Mcdonalds is cold mcdonalds...

How does that chain stay in business???

[Locke]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Murica is back, baby!!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1858379469796339722

https://twitter.com/user/status/1857918224328778133

Ignore them.

They do these marches and nonsense for two reasons:

1. Attention. Dont give it to them.

2. To rile people up who then confront them and the 'normies' tend to be the ones led away by Cops allowing the idiots to continue freely. Dont play the game.

Let them walk down the street spouting their nonsense and then go home to their mom's basement.

To be a 'Nazi' in this day and age? You'd have to have a room-temperature IQ.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You know these are all battles the Democrats continue to fight, and the Republicans continue to make worse, right?

That is absolutely fantastic! When they get back into the Whitehouse, Congress/Senate in short order (4-8-12 years etc) I hope they are laser focused on it and go for transformative policies like no other.

I hope they go really big on the BS with food, healthcare, drug providers, insurance companies and more, not Mickey Mouse action but action that will forever change the way things are done. Forget about the politics, the donors, the political pushback from Republicans and Democrats who say you can't do it, just do it with brawns and brains.

There is a lot of ripe fruit that is easy picking in regard to this. The $100 is on the floor, the question is wither or not the Republicans pick it up or the Democrats do.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by curves2000

That is absolutely fantastic! When they get back into the Whitehouse, Congress/Senate in short order (4-8-12 years etc) I hope they are laser focused on it and go for transformative policies like no other.

I hope they go really big on the BS with food, healthcare, drug providers, insurance companies and more, not Mickey Mouse action but action that will forever change the way things are done. Forget about the politics, the donors, the political pushback from Republicans and Democrats who say you can't do it, just do it with brawns and brains.

There is a lot of ripe fruit that is easy picking in regard to this. The $100 is on the floor, the question is wither or not the Republicans pick it up or the Democrats do.

This isn't as big an issue as you think.

How about focusing on Gun Control. That is the #1 issue in the US, or should be.....

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Murica is back, baby!!

11 racist cowards (hiding their faces) walking down a street is pretty inconsequential and not something you can lay at the feet of the nation. It would be like pointing to the trucker occupation of Ottawa and saying Canadians had lost their ####ing minds and now just a waste of skin.

Are they emboldened by the orange ####gibbon elect? You bet. But are they representative of the larger population? I don't think so. It just gives us a chance to remember, not all Trumper supporters are racists, but all racists are Trump supporters.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

This isn't as big an issue as you think.

How about focusing on Gun Control. That is the #1 issue in the US, or should be.....

Also true! I also think American culture, garbage foods, a sick healthcare and medical system, prescription drugs and more also plays a role in American gun violence.

There is an uneasiness with America, everybody on edge all the time. What we put in our bodies has a materially important impact on our health both physically and mentally. Take a culture that is at each others throats, sick, over medicated and more and throw in easy access to military style weapons and it's no wonder America is where it is.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

11 racist cowards (hiding their faces) walking down a street is pretty inconsequential and not something you can lay at the feet of the nation. It would be like pointing to the trucker occupation of Ottawa and saying Canadians had lost their ####ing minds and now just a waste of skin.

Are they emboldened by the orange ####gibbon elect? You bet. But are they representative of the larger population? I don't think so. It just gives us a chance to remember, not all Trumper supporters are racists, but all racists are Trump supporters.

Most trump supporters are racist and all of them are in a full basket of deplorables and are effing morons.

See below! hahahaha

[MelBridgeman]

[KelVarnsen]

Go away

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

That is absolutely fantastic! When they get back into the Whitehouse, Congress/Senate in short order (4-8-12 years etc) I hope they are laser focused on it and go for transformative policies like no other.

I hope they go really big on the BS with food, healthcare, drug providers, insurance companies and more, not Mickey Mouse action but action that will forever change the way things are done. Forget about the politics, the donors, the political pushback from Republicans and Democrats who say you can't do it, just do it with brawns and brains.

There is a lot of ripe fruit that is easy picking in regard to this. The $100 is on the floor, the question is wither or not the Republicans pick it up or the Democrats do.

Except that the Republicans will never bring forward measures for what you want, and block any that the Democrats try.

border:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...aos-rcna153607

voting rights:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...rm-bill-495487

blocking lower drug cost bills, siding with Big Pharma!
https://democrats.org/news/reminder-...r-americans-2/

Here's one from 2007, just to show they have been doing this for years:
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/w...-medicare.html

and health bill for 9/11 responders, just to show they don't give a #### about heroes, either:
https://www.reuters.com/article/worl...idUSTRE6B9031/

Blocking protection for those with pre-existing health conditions:
https://m.usw.org/blog/2019/183-repu...ing-conditions

How about food safety? Oh, #### that, too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...2XH_story.html

This is why it's so frustrating talk to people like you. You say you want stuff, but then support the people working against it. You won't ever point out any of these pretty ####ty things the Republicans do, but if the Democrats mention DEI or something, they are instantly the worst people on earth and in no way should lead. It's the double standard, and complete unwillingness to open your eyes and see the world as it is that is why you get the responses you do. And I'm sorry you are taking the brunt of it, but you so perfectly encapsulate the problem.

[photon]

Lol RFK Jr. eating McDonalds, that's super healthy!

Any nugget of truth RFK Jr. comes close to is purely by random chance.

At least he promised to stop the "crime" (his words) of chemtrails.

[Senator Clay Davis]

That RFK Mickey D's pic has strong "Romney as Reek" vibes. Also kind of has some "make a guy snort coke to prove he's not a narc" vibes, but I also imagine RFK did a few rails on that flight too for good measure.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by photon

At least he promised to stop the "crime" (his words) of chemtrails.

I would love to put these people in a room and tell them they can stay there until they design a plane that doesn't make chemtrails.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I think in this situation some people may be a little upset as to some of the basic messaging of what RFK and people who want better for the USA in terms of food, are saying. I am not a follower of RFK or a big fan or anything. I do know that America is probably the worst in the world for their food supply. The American lifestyle and food system is making it's way all over the world and it's having drastic affects on the health and wellbeing of other countries at the same time. The level of corruption between industry and agencies like the FDA is unreal. Big business like food companies and drug companies really just bully through the FDA.

The FDA has become effectively a marketing arm for a lot of these companies. If you look at vaping and e-cig products, people actually believe these claims by Tabaco companies and the FDA. The official line from the FDA in regards to e-cigs is "these products are appropriate for the protection of public health.” That is beyond bonkers.

Just look around and see the disaster that has become the opioids and it's still going on. Regulatory failure across the board.

Forget what RFK thought about vaccines and a lot of other things, the Democrats were stupid to dismiss him and some of his supporters (not me) Some aspects of what he is saying is 100% accurate and people can see it and feel it every single day either through their corrupt food system, the corrupt pharma system and a lot more.

It would have been wise for the Democrats to actually take RFK's meeting about a potential seat at the table in a Harris administration and walk away with an army of information. Pretending everything is hunky dory with food companies and drug companies in America isn't honest. I don't think Trump and RFK are going to really fix things in that area either, hopefully they do positive things, but the hope of something positive also does lead to voters turning out for a better outcome.

You have to be trolling.