American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Because it is common for things to be considered safe and then become harmful with further research after being consumed for years. Sometimes science just doesn't know.

For example, BVO was developed and started to be used in the 1930's and it was a safe food additive. In the 1970s it was realized that it is not as safe as originally thought and it became regulated in the US and banned in other countries. This year the US removed it entirely as it was determined to be unsafe.

So yeah, I'm good with removing "harmless" additives as well because realistically the food scientists, chemists, regulators, etc. don't know #### about potential long term impacts.

Red Meat causes cancer. It causes it at a relatively alarming rate if compared to the food additives we are talking about here. Should we remove it from the food system?

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by GGG

Red Meat causes cancer. It causes it at a relatively alarming rate if compared to the food additives we are talking about here. Should we remove it from the food system?

I would rather die of cancer than eat another ####ing cabbage.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Because it is common for things to be considered safe and then become harmful with further research after being consumed for years. Sometimes science just doesn't know.

For example, BVO was developed and started to be used in the 1930's and it was a safe food additive. In the 1970s it was realized that it is not as safe as originally thought and it became regulated in the US and banned in other countries. This year the US removed it entirely as it was determined to be unsafe.

So yeah, I'm good with removing "harmless" additives as well because realistically the food scientists, chemists, regulators, etc. don't know #### about potential long term impacts.

So, in response to the idea that some things might be harmful even though we don’t have any evidence they are, you want to remove everything, even the things we know aren’t harmful and the things that actually reduce the likelihood of harmful bacteria and chemicals?

Weird take.

[Reggie Dunlop]

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[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GGG

Red Meat causes cancer. It causes it at a relatively alarming rate if compared to the food additives we are talking about here. Should we remove it from the food system?

I'm certain most things are harmful to humans with the difference being that we can't really make red meat not a carcinogen, maybe through some sort of genetic modifications at some point, while we can easily remove or keep additives which are synthetized in a lab out of our food.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm certain most things are harmful to humans with the difference being that we can't really make red meat not a carcinogen, maybe through some sort of genetic modifications at some point, while we can easily remove or keep additives which are synthetized in a lab out of our food.

If something is synthesized in a lab to be chemically identical to a "natural" compound, is that bad, too? Is adding vitamins A & D back into milk bad? Preservatives that reduce food waste?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If something is synthesized in a lab to be chemically identical to a "natural" compound, is that bad, too? Is adding vitamins A & D back into milk bad? Preservatives that reduce food waste?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Fortification of food is not really an issue. Yes, preservatives can be harmful such as nitrites/nitrates or formaldehyde.

[Reggie Dunlop]

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Coach

While overall I completely agree. You CAN still hunt for meat and forage for natural berries and fungi etc. Heck you can even find whale heads just laying on the beach for the taking...

But overall, yeah, if you bought your food or your seeds, it's inescapable and the main reason humanity has been able to sustain and grow. If you're anti-GMO you are pro-mass extinction.

Hands off bucko! Thats mine!!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm certain most things are harmful to humans with the difference being that we can't really make red meat not a carcinogen, maybe through some sort of genetic modifications at some point, while we can easily remove or keep additives which are synthetized in a lab out of our food.

It’s really easy to make red meet not a carcinogen in your diet. Remove it from your diet.

Why is the natural item being given a free pass?

[Reggie Dunlop]

The Great American Famine.

Like Stalin, like Mao.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GGG

It’s really easy to make red meet not a carcinogen in your diet. Remove it from your diet.

Why is the natural item being given a free pass?

And it is significantly less easy to keep additives and chemicals out of our diets without government regulation and intervention because of what the food industry has become.

[afc wimbledon]

I don't know why you guys are arguing about something we all know is not going to happen, if I had to lay money on any difference the GOP/Trump will do it would be mandating the use of food stamps for only Chicken McNuggets and large Fries, mandating the fries as counting as a vegetable and counting cherry coke as a fruit

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

And it is significantly less easy to keep additives and chemicals out of our diets without government regulation and intervention because of what the food industry has become.

No it isn’t. Dont eat processed foods. You probably shouldn’t anyways. What product has an additive that you want eliminated is a product that you think is healthy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

And it is significantly less easy to keep additives and chemicals out of our diets without government regulation and intervention because of what the food industry has become.

No it isn’t.

Dont eat processed foods. The negative health affects from the high sodium, high sugar, high fat, low fiber nature of the product is far worse than what addictive you are worrying about.

What food that you believe is healthy as an additive that you want to remove?

[activeStick]

There's noise out there that pollster Ann Selzer of the famous Iowa poll which Trump actually ended up winning by 14% is going to leave polling. Sounds like she'll still do other related work, just no more polling.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You have to be a special one to have the most punchable face in that and Jr wins it easily.

[FlamesAddiction]

All this talk about processed food, additives, preservative, etc... is hilarious when you consider how much Trump talked about putting bacon on the tables of America.

I personally would love to buyy all organic and homemade food, but regular people can't afford it. Also, for working class people that work at least 40 hours a week and juggling other personal and family obligations, simply don't have the time to only use fresh food. Processed food isn't just a convenience for a lot of people.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by activeStick

There's noise out there that pollster Ann Selzer of the famous Iowa poll which Trump actually ended up winning by 14% is going to leave polling. Sounds like she'll still do other related work, just no more polling.

I hope not. That poll as an outlier still has value. You go through look at if there was any systemic things you did wrong and then keep polling.

All polling including republican polling under forecast trump support in Iowa.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

All this talk about processed food, additives, preservative, etc... is hilarious when you consider how much Trump talked about putting bacon on the tables of America.

I personally would love to buyy all organic and homemade food, but regular people can't afford it. Also, for working class people that work at least 40 hours a week and juggling other personal and family obligations, simply don't have the time to only use fresh food. Processed food isn't just a convenience for a lot of people.

I’d disagree that homemade food is more expensive and I’d disagree that people don’t have time to cook. There are tons of homemade meals that take 20-30 minutes.

Organic is a waste of your money though.