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Old 11-15-2024, 11:29 AM   #1741
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In terms of players raised in the last few pages, my personal stack rank of who I would go after would be

1. Jiricek (just too talented, and CBJ is a #### show. He will thrive elsewhere)
2. Cozens (potential long-term 2nd line centre)
3. Zegras (uber talented, but there have been concerns about him going back to the draft, that now seem to be coming to fruition)
4. Dach (I just don't think he is a play driver, never understood the appeal of him at all).
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Old 11-15-2024, 11:31 AM   #1742
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I would flip Jiricek and Cozens personally, we just need forward talent far more than additional back end talent. But I'd say there's also a chasm between 2 and 3 in terms of interest.
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In terms of players raised in the last few pages, my personal stack rank of who I would go after would be

1. Jiricek (just too talented, and CBJ is a #### show. He will thrive elsewhere)
2. Cozens (potential long-term 2nd line centre)
3. Zegras (uber talented, but there have been concerns about him going back to the draft, that now seem to be coming to fruition)
4. Dach (I just don't think he is a play driver, never understood the appeal of him at all).
Pretty much how I'd have it, though I might even have Zegras over Cozens if only because he should cost way less to acquire with a similar payoff.
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Old 11-15-2024, 11:32 AM   #1744
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I would flip Jiricek and Cozens personally, we just need forward talent far more than additional back end talent. But I'd say there's also a chasm between 2 and 3 in terms of interest.
Agree on that second point. I'm not sure how much interest I have in Zegras and Dach at all.
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The Ducks are terrible. Like at least the Flames try. Ducks just look totally confused out there.
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Old 11-15-2024, 11:34 AM   #1746
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Pretty much how I'd have it, though I might even have Zegras over Cozens if only because he should cost way less to acquire with a similar payoff.
I don't know. It really depends on what the root issue is with him. Cozens is generally considered to be a high character kid. Just a matter of how much talent he really has. He's always been an attractive prospect because of the size and skating. But perhaps he lacks the high end skill to be a consistent producer. But he will compete and he will be a player for you.

Zegras? Way more red flags and if he's not a offensive producer for you - he has no role.
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Old 11-15-2024, 11:38 AM   #1747
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+1 to Jiri's thoughts here. I feel like Cozens' floor is a 3rd line centre. The WJC squad used him as more of a defensive centre, a good indicator that he has potential to develop that side of his game more. I think some solid faceoff work would do him wonders too.

Zegras could be out of the league in a few years if he doesnt find that internal motivation. He has virtually no down lineup qualities.
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Old 11-15-2024, 11:46 AM   #1748
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Zegras has warts, but that team as a whole has major issues. Aside from the goalie, who is outperforming expectations, or even meeting them?
Sounds like a coaching issue with Anaheim hiring another Eakins, GG, or Huska type of "player's" coach that is cheap, but bad at structure and systems.

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Old 11-15-2024, 11:55 AM   #1749
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Carolina's Fredrik Andersen probably going to be out long-term. Kochetkov is currently banged-up too, but either way it looks like Spencer Martin going to be the next man up. Might be an opening there.


Vegas re-signing 33-year old Brayden McNabb to a 3-year extension.
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Catching up on the big show podcast with Serivali and the discussion of a compliance buyout in the new CBA. If that happens you have to think the Flames exercise that on Huberdeau
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Carolina's Fredrik Andersen probably going to be out long-term. Kochetkov is currently banged-up too, but either way it looks like Spencer Martin going to be the next man up. Might be an opening there.


Vegas re-signing 33-year old Brayden McNabb to a 3-year extension.
Could see Carolina as a potential option in a Vladar trade. Not expected to be the starting goalie but works well in a tandem.
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Old 11-15-2024, 12:14 PM   #1752
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In terms of players raised in the last few pages, my personal stack rank of who I would go after would be

1. Jiricek (just too talented, and CBJ is a #### show. He will thrive elsewhere)
2. Cozens (potential long-term 2nd line centre)
3. Zegras (uber talented, but there have been concerns about him going back to the draft, that now seem to be coming to fruition)
4. Dach (I just don't think he is a play driver, never understood the appeal of him at all).
Dach is a huge forward (6'4'' 220+lbs) with talent. That's always a valuable commodity. He's only played in the playoffs once, but elevated his stats there.

Montreal is a tire fire right now, Dach likely gets a boost in numbers just from playing just about anywhere else.

I don't see Dach as a #1 centre, but he'd be a great depth centre. His size alone, will make him difficult to play against. He's not the most physical player, but he does throw a couple of hits a game and seems more and more willing to do so as he gets older. He recently beat the crap out Ridly Greig.

Dach is far from the franchise center the Flames need, but he'd be a great player to have on any roster.
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Dach might be taking a while to get up to speed because he missed most of last season. But Montreal has been using him on the wing too.
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Dach is a huge forward (6'4'' 220+lbs) with talent. That's always a valuable commodity. He's only played in the playoffs once, but elevated his stats there.

Montreal is a tire fire right now, Dach likely gets a boost in numbers just from playing just about anywhere else.

I don't see Dach as a #1 centre, but he'd be a great depth centre. His size alone, will make him difficult to play against. He's not the most physical player, but he does throw a couple of hits a game and seems more and more willing to do so as he gets older. He recently beat the crap out Ridly Greig.

Dach is far from the franchise center the Flames need, but he'd be a great player to have on any roster.
Dach is one of those guys where if you're paying a premium for him (like Montreal did) then you're going to be dissapointed.

But if you can get him on the cheap as a reclamation project...might be some more upside there still.
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I used to think Dach just needed a change of scenery (like Montreal did) but recently, because of conversation here, I looked into him a little bit deeper and I don’t actually think he’s much of a centre at all. Certainly not a 1st line centre, nor a “great” depth centre.

He’s terrible at faceoffs, doesn’t forecheck, and has lacking defensive coverage. I know it’s like “oooo a 6’4 centre!” but he’s closer to a more talented Joe Colborne. Actually, he’s scarily similar to Joe Colborne.
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What a garbage person. He literally timed that to walk as slow and sad as he could past the camera. What an absolute loser.
I saw it as a plea for help. He is basically blinking twice.

If the ducks were giving a course on how to tank the value of a trade chip this is it. They told a one dimensional player (who is great at that dimension) to play better without the puck and focus on details. Neutered him.
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Verbeek seems to want Zegras to play like Pat Verbeek...and TBH that was never going to happen.
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The old Jeff Carter/Blue Jackets gambit.
Jeff Carter was a very good player when he was traded though.
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I used to think Dach just needed a change of scenery (like Montreal did) but recently, because of conversation here, I looked into him a little bit deeper and I don’t actually think he’s much of a centre at all. Certainly not a 1st line centre, nor a “great” depth centre.

He’s terrible at faceoffs, doesn’t forecheck, and has lacking defensive coverage. I know it’s like “oooo a 6’4 centre!” but he’s closer to a more talented Joe Colborne. Actually, he’s scarily similar to Joe Colborne.
So he's like a more Colborney Joe Colborne? Sign me up!
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In terms of players raised in the last few pages, my personal stack rank of who I would go after would be

1. Jiricek (just too talented, and CBJ is a #### show. He will thrive elsewhere)
2. Cozens (potential long-term 2nd line centre)
3. Zegras (uber talented, but there have been concerns about him going back to the draft, that now seem to be coming to fruition)
4. Our 2025 1st
5. Dach (I just don't think he is a play driver, never understood the appeal of him at all).
If Montreal is a possible trade partner...
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