2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You seem to have a stronger grip on Zegras than anyone in media by a country mile. Question would be - What are you hearing in terms of what it would take to get him out of Anaheim?

They want futures/picks from what I have heard. I can only guess on what it would take from the Flames but the Devils 1st might do it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I have a friend in common with Zegras. Apparently when there were rumours about coming to Montreal, he was stoked (a fair number of Americans seem to like playing on the Habs).

So I wouldn't assume there is a blanket Canada issue for him. At this point, he would probably be happy to be anywhere he is set up for success.

Thanks for sharing!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Apparently, according to David Littman of hockey trade rumours, Friedman made some comments to the effect that CBJ might be open to moving on from D David Jiricek. Seems he’s struggling this season a bit, and finding it hard to earn ice-time from HC Dean Evason- he’s been scratched several times, and when he does play, it’s only 11+ minutes per game. Compounding the problem is that Jiricek had difficulty last year with management, and the new GM (Waddell) might not value him as much as Kek did. DJ’s agent is Allan Walsh btw.

I know we have a glut of D in the system, but this kid is a stud and a future star. Not sure what they would want, but I would back up the truck for this one.

IMO, you don't know what you have with a defenseman until they are 24 (with rare exceptions of course). He has all the tools and plenty of talent, so if CBJ was willing to let him go at a reasonable price, you have to be all over it.

The question is price. I think Harry Lime's offer is close, probably takes a little more.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

IMO, you don't know what you have with a defenseman until they are 24 (with rare exceptions of course). He has all the tools and plenty of talent, so if CBJ was willing to let him go at a reasonable price, you have to be all over it.

The question is price. I think Harry Lime's offer is close, probably takes a little more.

I believe that if there’s a rare exception, it’s Jiricek. If he’s on the block, teams will be lining up.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I believe that if there’s a rare exception, it’s Jiricek. If he’s on the block, teams will be lining up.

You misread my (probably poorly worded) comment. I am saying you usually don't know with defensemen until later, so I am not worried that he hasn't figured it out at 20. Totally worth a shot, if CBJ are giving up on him.

(I was saying that the exceptions are the few defensemen that are really good, before they are 24)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

IMO, you don't know what you have with a defenseman until they are 24 (with rare exceptions of course). He has all the tools and plenty of talent, so if CBJ was willing to let him go at a reasonable price, you have to be all over it.

The question is price. I think Harry Lime's offer is close, probably takes a little more.

That offer was the NJ first and some fungible stuff.

Some team would easily beat that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sec214

He wants out of Anaheim.

The old Jeff Carter/Blue Jackets gambit.

[Monahammer]

Andersson to Buffalo for Cozens, Samuelsson and Buf 1st

Coleman to Stars for Bourque and Wheatcroft

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Andersson to Buffalo for Cozens, Samuelsson and Buf 1st

Coleman to Stars for Bourque and Wheatcroft

I'm not sold that Bourque's big season last year wasn't just driven by playing with Stankoven.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'm not sold that Bourque's big season last year wasn't just driven by playing with Stankoven.

Perhaps, but Coleman's 30 goals are similarly inflated from his baseline value and likely production last season.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Andersson to Buffalo for Cozens, Samuelsson and Buf 1st

Coleman to Stars for Bourque and Wheatcroft

That would be a huge haul for Calgary… in both trades. Would all of a sudden have two young centres pushing for 2 of the top 3 centre positions.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Perhaps, but Coleman's 30 goals are similarly inflated from his baseline value and likely production last season.

Oh not questioning that the value is fair...I'm just not sure I love the player.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That offer was the NJ first and some fungible stuff.

Some team would easily beat that.

Fungible Jake and Fungible Jer. The Fungible Brothers.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I believe that if there’s a rare exception, it’s Jiricek. If he’s on the block, teams will be lining up.

Hamilton might be a good comparison. The flames picked him up at 21 or 22 for a first and 2 seconds I think?

Funny enough Hanifin might be another.

Might be more of a draft day trade.

[Ba'alzamon]

The main thing about Zegras for me is I remember watching the WJC and being annoyed that he was a Ducks prospect.

Say what you want about him quitting on the team, and fair enough, but there is an extremely talented player there.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

zegras is a certified tool I want nothing to do with him

Is he a hammer or a wrench?

[Ped]

Talent isn't enough though (see Filatov, Nikita). A player who quits is a big red flag in team sports. Obviously we all understand if there is something in your job making you miserable that it's hard to put through optimum effort. And hockey players are people just like everyone else.


Talent is no good if the player isn't committed to using it a lot. There was an article in the Athletic about why Mogilny isn't in the HHOF, and the suggestion seems to be that as talented as he was, and despite the seasons he put in, he could have done a hell of a lot more if he felt like it.


Whether those narratives are true or not, they still exist in team sports.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Apparently, according to David Littman of hockey trade rumours, Friedman made some comments to the effect that CBJ might be open to moving on from D David Jiricek. Seems he’s struggling this season a bit, and finding it hard to earn ice-time from HC Dean Evason- he’s been scratched several times, and when he does play, it’s only 11+ minutes per game. Compounding the problem is that Jiricek had difficulty last year with management, and the new GM (Waddell) might not value him as much as Kek did. DJ’s agent is Allan Walsh btw.

I know we have a glut of D in the system, but this kid is a stud and a future star. Not sure what they would want, but I would back up the truck for this one.

I don’t know about the guy, but if a team dying for franchise talent has it, why won’t someone bridge the gap between the guy and the coaching staff. Seems like some egos let things go just because they can’t meet half way.

[Vinny01]

I am okay with the Flames acquiring players signed long term under 25 using cap space and the NJ 1st as some of the key trade chips. I would be interested in Zegras even as a pump and dump player if the team thinks he will be better in a new environment he might not be long term for Calgary but could rebuild his value here and be flipped for more when he is a RFA?

Cozens, Dach, etc seem like reasonable targets to dangle the NJ 1st to acquire.

I definitely want Andersson dealt over being re-signed but I am more interested in a futures based deal as opposed to a hockey trade with him and target 2026 1st rounder++ in that deal which I think makes sense around the deadline this year.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Ped

Talent isn't enough though (see Filatov, Nikita). A player who quits is a big red flag in team sports. Obviously we all understand if there is something in your job making you miserable that it's hard to put through optimum effort. And hockey players are people just like everyone else.


Talent is no good if the player isn't committed to using it a lot. There was an article in the Athletic about why Mogilny isn't in the HHOF, and the suggestion seems to be that as talented as he was, and despite the seasons he put in, he could have done a hell of a lot more if he felt like it.


Whether those narratives are true or not, they still exist in team sports.

Sure, but it's not like I'm saying trade Zary for him. I'm just saying don't be diametrically opposed to the possibility of adding him. Though he may be heading towards Pierre-Luc Dubois toxicity territory, he could also turn it around. There's a point where betting on the talent becomes worthwhile.

Even Alexandre Daigle had three 50 point seasons.