Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

It wasn't the specific soccer fans who took the beatings. They didn't dare attack the larger crowd and instead waited to pick off defenseless people who had nothing to do with the previous chants.

Sure thing.
Real victims. Always blameless.

Now care to explain how a large weapon carrying crowd roaming the streets chanting death to Arabs cannot be perceived as a threat of violence but directing propaganda is?

Is it because as a Gideon Levy says. Not only areyou the victim. You're the ONLY victim?

[Bagor]

The full testimony. If there's one account you should listen to to get a sense of what is going on there I strongly urge you to take the time to listen to this.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1856667793036353760

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Sure thing.
Real victims. Always blameless.

Now care to explain how a large weapon carrying crowd roaming the streets chanting death to Arabs cannot be perceived as a threat of violence but directing propaganda is?

Is it because as a Gideon Levy says. Not only areyou the victim. You're the ONLY victim?

No one is saying that the crowd chanting racist things is blameless. People are saying that the random victims that got picked up later are victims.

[CalgaryKid12]

Originally Posted by Bagor

So using your own guidelines are you in agreement that a bunch of Israelis openly singing "Death to the Arabs" and "let the IDF f*#@ the Arabs"? Not to mention singing about the mass murder of children can easily be perceived as an actual threat of violence.

Either you're being intentionally misleading or you just can't read. That's not what was quoted as being said.

Also by you're logic, does this mean Israelis and their supporters can beat up Pro-Palestine supporters because chanting "from the river to the sea..." is effectively calling for the erasure of Israel and therefore a threat of violence?

As someone who claims they want peace, you sure have a hard time condemning violence against one side. You're the one with the double standards, and it's pretty irritating.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Israel is playing France in Paris tonight in a Nations League fixture.

I expect trouble from the visiting fans and the huge Muslim population in Paris.

There were only minor scuffles.

But what's more interesting is that the 80,000 seater stadium only had several thousand fans. Parisians boycotted Israel while the French president Macron attended the match.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CalgaryKid12

Either you're being intentionally misleading or you just can't read. That's not what was quoted as being said.

Also by you're logic, does this mean Israelis and their supporters can beat up Pro-Palestine supporters because chanting "from the river to the sea..." is effectively calling for the erasure of Israel and therefore a threat of violence?

As someone who claims they want peace, you sure have a hard time condemning violence against one side. You're the one with the double standards, and it's pretty irritating.

There is a huge gulf between "no children" left in Gaza and "from the river to the sea".

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by CalgaryKid12

Eitheryou're being intentionally misleading or you just can't read. That's not what was quoted as being said.

Learn to read. Yes it is.

Originally Posted by CalgaryKid12

Also by you're logic, does this mean Israelis and their supporters can beat up Pro-Palestine supporters because chanting "from the river to the sea..." is effectively calling for the erasure of Israel and therefore a threat of violence?

As someone who claims they want peace, you sure have a hard time condemning violence against one side. You're the one with the double standards, and it's pretty irritating.

If they are running around in large gangs with weapons threatening violence then yes. Absolutely. Beating up random taxi drivers, damaging property? Again, yes.

Amsterdam has the right to defend itself. Isn't that how it works?

But it's telling that you're irritated that a bunch of genocidal racist monsters got a beating for openly singing racist songs and celebrating the mass murder of children. And nowhere do you condemn such disgusting vile behaviour. Think about what you're defending here.

Maybe you can answer the question.

Originally Posted by Bagor

Do you agree that lowlife racists and people that celebrate the mass murder of children deserves a good slap? If not, why not?

[CalgaryKid12]

https://nationalpost.com/news/amster...li-fans-attack

Footage also showed dozens of men shouting “Let the IDF win” and “F— the Arabs” in Hebrew as they entered a metro station after sunset.

Looking forward to your apology

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by CalgaryKid12

https://nationalpost.com/news/amster...li-fans-attack
Looking forward to your apology

Even IF I was wrong and there were no reports citing exactly what I quoted (which there are) why are you celebrating like "#### the Arabs" is some sort of win for you and acceptable? Is running through the streets shouting that ok in your racist little brain?

I mean what is the point of this unless you're trying to show that by shouting "#### the Arabs" is somehow more acceptable?

Hear you go.

Later Maccabi fans could be seen singing “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF win. We will f--- the Arabs,” as well as tearing down another Palestinian flag.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/v...ded-rcna179572

Now. Answer the question.

Originally Posted by Bagor

Do you agree that lowlife racists and people that celebrate the mass murder of children deserves a good slap? If not, why not?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Even IF I was wrong and there were no reports citing exactly what I quoted (which there are) why are you celebrating like "#### the Arabs" is some sort of win for you and acceptable? Is running through the streets shouting that ok in your racist little brain?

I mean what is the point of this unless you're trying to show that by shouting "#### the Arabs" is somehow more acceptable?

Hear you go.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/v...ded-rcna179572

Now. Answer the question.

Are you stating that people should be able to answer speech with violence? Does that mean when people come out in support of Hamas and its actions of Oct 7, the answer is violence?

[undercoverbrother]

Do mods come in here at all I wonder

[CalgaryKid12]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Now. Answer the question.

Happily. They might deserve it, but they shouldn't necessarily get it. Because isn't that how we arrived at this very moment? Hamas militants (a bunch of lowlife racists and people that celebrate the mass murder of children) invaded Israel on Oct 7 and murdered a bunch of innocent Israelis (including children) and so Israel retaliated (gave them a good "slap").

So I guess using your own logic, you support Israeli's retaliation to the Oct 7 massacre? Interesting...

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Are you stating that people should be able to answer speech with violence?

Racist chanting. "Kill all Arabs" Celebrating mass murder of children?
Beating taxi drivers. Destroying property.

And you want to just call it speech? Wow!

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by CalgaryKid12

So I guess using your own logic, you support Israeli's retaliation to the Oct 7 massacre? Interesting...

Why shouldn't they necessarily get it? Because in your mind they are special? Do whatever they want?
Definitely had the right to retaliate.
But not the right to genocide.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Racist chanting. "Kill all Arabs" Celebrating mass murder of children?
Beating taxi drivers. Destroying property.

And you want to just call it speech? Wow!

I was unaware of any taxi driver beatings, assuming that's true wouldn't you agree that the correct approach is to arrest those responsible, as opposed to organizing a racist mob and attacking whatever Jewish and Israeli people you find?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

I was unaware of any taxi driver beatings, assuming that's true wouldn't you agree that the correct approach is to arrest those responsible, as opposed to organizing a racist mob and attacking whatever Jewish and Israeli people you find?

A simple recap.
Israeli's arrived in Amsterdam. Beat taxi, drivers damaged property and walked around in large group carrying weapons shouting racist chants etc.

Basically they were looking for trouble.

Locals fought back and gave a few of them a good beating and a bath in the canal.

People like Manhattanboy jump all over it in their sad attempt to go look! Antisemitism! Can't you see how we are the victims? The ONLY victims?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

A simple recap.
Israeli's arrived in Amsterdam. Beat taxi, drivers damaged property and walked around in large group carrying weapons shouting racist chants etc.

Basically they were looking for trouble.

Locals fought back and gave a few of them a good beating and a bath in the canal.

People like Manhattanboy jump all over it in their sad attempt to go look! Antisemitism! Can't you see how we are the victims? The ONLY victims?

Has anyone ever said that one side was the only victims.

I don't know how attacking random people on the street and demanding to know if they are Jewish and/or Israeli before beating them counts as "fighting back". The actions of the Israeli soccer fans occurred earlier in the day, and there was no risk of harm later in the night when the violence towards Israeli and Jewish people occurred.

The fact you refer to the acts of violence as a "good beating" and a "bath in the canal" is pretty troubling.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Has anyone ever said that one side was the only victims.

Yes. Manhattanboy came in crying the antisemitic victim card conveniently deciding to omit the racist behaviour, child mass murder singing, taxi driver beating.,property damage and walking around in large groups with weapons.

Originally Posted by blankall

I don't know how attacking random people on the street and demanding to know if they are Jewish and/or Israeli before beating them counts as "fighting back". The actions of the Israeli soccer fans occurred earlier in the day, and there was no risk of harm later in the night when the violence towards Israeli and Jewish people occurred.

Are you capable of not lying?
They were running around with weapons looking for trouble after the game also. You really will stoop and say anything to defend these lowlife.

Originally Posted by blankall

The fact you refer to the acts of violence as a "good beating" and a "bath in the canal" is pretty troubling.

Oh the horror! They got what any other soccer fan gets on a European night when they go to a foreign city looking for trouble.

But thanks for finally answering my question.
You clearly think that it's acceptable to be racist. To celebrate the mass murder of children. Focusing more on the poor genocidal racists that got bathed and beat. That's disturbing but unsurprising.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Do mods come in here at all I wonder

No. They're smarter than the rest of us.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Racist chanting. "Kill all Arabs" Celebrating mass murder of children?
Beating taxi drivers. Destroying property.

And you want to just call it speech? Wow!

These are, literally, speech. And if the destruction of property you refer to is one flag, that's largely symbolic and offends more because of what it says than the economic/replacement value of the property. It is more offensive than it is destructive.

Even if it's hate speech, the fact that it is some kind of speech is relevant to assess the appropriate response. All speech shares certain traits, for example it does not directly cause bodily injury. And I accept the use of force to suppress incitement to violence! But that force should be judicious state force, not indiscriminate mob violence. Only where the state is incapable or unwilling would vigilantism be justified.

Originally Posted by Bagor

Oh the horror! They got what any other soccer fan gets on a European night when they go to a foreign city looking for trouble.

Even if responding to speech with beatings is common, that doesn't make it right.