Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Language

Are you condemning the sickos constantly chanting “globalize the intifada” and targeting Jewish businesses? These chants/songs go both ways and are happening on both sides. When it resorts to violence, clear targeting and a plan to target people, it crosses the line. I’d be saying the same thing if it was the other way around. But you clearly have trouble condemning even blatant things. Seems like anything to do with Israel/Jews now means something akin “getting what they deserve” mentality in your opinion.

Long deflective rant with the only thing noteworthy about it being that when it was pointed out directly to you, you still haven't condemned the racism and singing about mass child murder.

I have no issues with racists and supporters of mass child murder getting slapped for openly singing their vile views.

[Language]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Long deflective rant with the only thing noteworthy about it being that when it was pointed out directly to you, you still haven't condemned the racism and singing about mass child murder.

I have no issues with racists and supporters of mass child murder getting slapped for openly singing their vile views.

So then you have no issue with terrorist sympathizers chanting “globalize the intifada” or “from the river to the sea” getting slapped around either, right?


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[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

So the Israeli response to Gaza is fafo

Israeli soccer fans chanting racist stuff and getting a response: antisemitism.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Language

So then you have no issue with terrorist sympathizers chanting “globalize the intifada” or “from the river to the sea” getting slapped around either, right?


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For him it’s ok to be “slapped”, meaning multiple kicks to the head by several thugs while on the ground defenceless semi-unconscious.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Now that Israel has ethnically cleansed northern Gaza, what do we think is going to happen? Condos? Mixed use apartments with retail space on street level?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

For him it’s ok to be “slapped”, meaning multiple kicks to the head by several thugs while on the ground defenceless semi-unconscious.

You left the bit out.. If you're a lowlife racist genocidal pos that celebrates mass murder of children.

But for you and language it's appears to be acceptable to be racist and celebrate mass murder of children. Not one of your posts addresses this significant part of the story.

Do you agree that lowlife racists and people that celebrate the mass murder of children deserves a good slap? If not, why not?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

Eradicate Hamas & Hezbollah, stop funnelling money to them or other terrorist organizations and stop appeasing Iran / Qatar and this all ends.

I didn't see it posted yet, but Qatar just kicked Hamas out of the country. They said neither side is acting in good faith, including Hamas, and that their office in Qatar no longer serves a purpose. they also said that they will no long be advocating for Hamas in negotiations until they change their tune.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I didn't see it posted yet, but Qatar just kicked Hamas out of the country. They said neither side is acting in good faith, including Hamas, and that their office in Qatar no longer serves a purpose. they also said that they will no long be advocating for Hamas in negotiations until they change their tune.

Trump's election is starting to pay off for Israel

[SebC]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Feels like you completely missed my point, which was to illustrate how wrong a disproportionate response that targets innocent people is, in favour of making whatever rambling point you were trying to make here.

It’s honestly hard to tell if you even read my post.

I agree with you on this general point! But I make a distinction between Oct 7 justifying, even forcing, a violent response; whereas incendiary language is insufficient cause to assault people (though not to insufficient to invoke the violence of state power, if needs be).

[Doctorfever]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...l-yahya-sinwar

A controversial vigil commemorating the death of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar appears to be going ahead as scheduled, despite a statement from an Ontario mayor that suggested a flyer featuring poppies over a black and white image of the terror leader was not associated with a real event.

Mississauga Mayor Carolyn Parrish drew ire from Jewish community leaders after she said Saturday that the city, located west of Toronto, would not try to stop the Nov. 26 vigil at Celebration Square in Mississauga. “The City will not interfere with a peaceful vigil, as long as all laws and City by-laws are adhered to,” she wrote at the time, adding that permits are not required for events that use public city property.

The flyer, which was shared on social media, used the slogan, “Lest we forget our heroes,” and red poppies — a national symbol of remembrance for Canadian military veterans.

I don’t know what is worse, the fact that there is a vigil for the leader of a terrorist organization here in Canada, or that they are ‘piggybacking’ off Remembrance Day by using the poppy and ‘Lest we forget’.

How difficult can it be for us to say no, we will not allow you to host this in Canada?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...l-yahya-sinwar



I don’t know what is worse, the fact that there is a vigil for the leader of a terrorist organization here in Canada, or that they are ‘piggybacking’ off Remembrance Day by using the poppy and ‘Lest we forget’.

How difficult can it be for us to say no, we will not allow you to host this in Canada?

I don't know man.

I'm honestly torn, my initial visceral response is no #### that ####.

But honestly, if we "The West" want to be free democracies we need to allow this type of thing.

To me it is a couple of things, the phrasing and visual of poppies. Is that illegal? no Should that be illegal? no Is that in bad taste? yes, I think so

I don't know the politics of Yahya Sinwar, so I can't speak to this being a remembrance of a "terrorist" of the remembrance of a "freedom fighter".

But the thing with Freedom is you get stuff that you don't agree with, but we need to defend the ability to "say" those things.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...l-yahya-sinwar



I don’t know what is worse, the fact that there is a vigil for the leader of a terrorist organization here in Canada, or that they are ‘piggybacking’ off Remembrance Day by using the poppy and ‘Lest we forget’.

How difficult can it be for us to say no, we will not allow you to host this in Canada?

It would be quite difficult to stop it. If they don't break any laws (which it doesn't), on what grounds could authorities stop it?

I could host a vigil for Bill Cosby, it is my right to do so living in a free country like ours. Whether or not people show up is a different story altogether.

Sinwar is a piece of ####. But enough people believe Sinwar was a hero so it'll be a big vigil. Many people don't view him as a hero and are simply appalled by Israel's war on Gaza and so they might show up too.

[PepsiFree]

It’d certainly be nice if these things didn’t happen but the reality is that there are worse public displays than this vigil happening hundreds of times every year, targeting any number of minority groups, including Jews, Muslims, and LGBTQ folks.

The best we can do is the best we do for any of them. Publicly condemn it and show up in peaceful protest against it. If you’re worried about the people being harmed by these things, speak out and show up, make sure they don’t feel like they’re alone and that this stuff is acceptable.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I don't know man.

I'm honestly torn, my initial visceral response is no #### that ####.

But honestly, if we "The West" want to be free democracies we need to allow this type of thing.

To me it is a couple of things, the phrasing and visual of poppies. Is that illegal? no Should that be illegal? no Is that in bad taste? yes, I think so

I don't know the politics of Yahya Sinwar, so I can't speak to this being a remembrance of a "terrorist" of the remembrance of a "freedom fighter".

But the thing with Freedom is you get stuff that you don't agree with, but we need to defend the ability to "say" those things.

As a democracy, unless someone is actually calling for violence against another group, we should be very hesitant to ban any form of speech or display. It becomes a bit of a grey area, when, for example, someone is directing Nazi propaganda at a minority group. That can easily be perceived as an actual threat of violence.

Depending on context, certain forms of speech do need to be banned. I wouldn't say that this Sinwar/Poppy thing goes that far though.

If anything, this does far more to hurt their cause though. Associating Hamas with Canadian veterans is just going to piss off a bunch of veterans and their supporters. It's totally tone deaf.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

As a democracy, unless someone is actually calling for violence against another group, we should be very hesitant to ban any form of speech or display. It becomes a bit of a grey area, when, for example, someone is directing Nazi propaganda at a minority group. That can easily be perceived as an actual threat of violence.

So using your own guidelines are you in agreement that a bunch of Israelis openly singing "Death to the Arabs" and "let the IDF f*#@ the Arabs"? Not to mention singing about the mass murder of children can easily be perceived as an actual threat of violence.

Yet you have the likes of Manhattanboy who not only condones this type of behaviour but will use it as an excuse to play the antisemitic victim card when the perpetrators get a good slapping for it.

[Bagor]

Imagine condoning or celebrating this.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1856693525238136909

[CroFlames]

Israel is playing France in Paris tonight in a Nations League fixture.

I expect trouble from the visiting fans and the huge Muslim population in Paris.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

So using your own guidelines are you in agreement that a bunch of Israelis openly singing "Death to the Arabs" and "let the IDF f*#@ the Arabs"? Not to mention singing about the mass murder of children can easily be perceived as an actual threat of violence.

Yet you have the likes of Manhattanboy who not only condones this type of behaviour but will use it as an excuse to play the antisemitic victim card when the perpetrators get a good slapping for it.

No. It's not a threat of violence unless there's a specific risk of imminent violence from the threat. If they were bearing down on a group of Arabs signing that song, then yes.

And I 100% disagree with what those Israeli soccer fans were saying. If we want to start arresting people for chanting death to X.

If you can't see the problem with groups of people just taking out their revenge on whatever Jews they see, you have a major issue. "Victim Card". Actual people were the victims of racist motivated violence here.

So by your logic, if an Israel hears someone say death to Israel or death to Jews, they then have the right to form a group and attack whichever Muslims or Arabs they see later that day? If that's the case, there are going to be a lot of attacks, and apparently the victims are just playing some card.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

No. It's not a threat of violence unless there's a specific risk of imminent violence from the threat. If they were bearing down on a group of Arabs signing that song, then yes.

The double standards of blankall.

Where on the one hand directing propaganda at a minority group can easily be perceived as an actual threat of violence.
And on the other hand running through the streets with scaffold pipes and other weapons shouting death to Arabs cannot be perceived as an actual threat of violence.

Originally Posted by blankall

for example, someone is directing Nazi propaganda at a minority group. That can easily be perceived as an actual threat of violence.

Next you'll be saying it was a peaceful protest.

Originally Posted by blankall

if an Israel hears someone say death to Israel or death to Jews, they then have the right to form a group and attack whichever Muslims or Arabs they see later that day?

Exactly what they have been doing in Gaza for the last year.
Collective punishment. I'm glad you condemn it.

A bunch of racist genocidal soccer hooligans got a beating and a swim in the canal. And out came the victim card.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

The double standards of blankall.

Where on the one hand directing propaganda at a minority group can easily be perceived as an actual threat of violence.
And on the other hand running through the streets with scaffold pipes and other weapons shouting death to Arabs cannot be perceived as an actual threat of violence.

Next you'll be saying it was a peaceful protest.


Exactly what they have been doing in Gaza for the last year.
Collective punishment. I'm glad you condemn it.

A bunch of racist genocidal soccer hooligans got a beating and a swim in the canal. And out came the victim card.

It wasn't the specific soccer fans who took the beatings. They didn't dare attack the larger crowd and instead waited to pick off defenseless people who had nothing to do with the previous chants.