11-14-2024, 08:40 PM
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#1701
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
He is a mediocre hockey player. Stay far away.
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He is super talented but he has an attitude problem and I don't think he would sign long term in Canada anyhow.
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11-15-2024, 01:17 AM
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#1702
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by CFO
If Helenius is considered a core piece for buffalo going forward, it just means they have lost faith in their other young centers they have committed big $$ to
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That's not what that means at all. It means they literally just drafted him and don't have any appetite to trade him before even seeing what he could be, and will likely trade almost anything else before a centre with huge upside?
How often do teams trade a top 15 pick in the same draft year before knowing what they have? Especially a highly thought of centre? I would put lots of money on him being untouchable in a trade right now, but yet he keeps coming up as a trade piece. is this coming from somewhere or just standard CP hoping that turns to "speculation"?
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11-15-2024, 01:30 AM
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#1703
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by AC
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What a garbage person. He literally timed that to walk as slow and sad as he could past the camera. What an absolute loser.
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11-15-2024, 01:33 AM
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#1704
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
The Ducks. He has had a bad taste in his mouth since the last contract was negotiated and just hates it there. I think Zegras will pop somewhere else for sure, he is way too talented not to.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
He is super talented but he has an attitude problem and I don't think he would sign long term in Canada anyhow.
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You seem to have a stronger grip on Zegras than anyone in media by a country mile. Question would be - What are you hearing in terms of what it would take to get him out of Anaheim?
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11-15-2024, 08:30 AM
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#1705
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sec214
He wants out of Anaheim.
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Clearly.
The question is why? Is it an Anaheim problem, or is it a Zegras problem? And to be clear, there is a very large, innocuous middle ground here.
But I think there is some reason to think that it is, at least partially, a Zegras problem. And if it is, is it still an issue when he gets out of Anaheim
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11-15-2024, 08:32 AM
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#1706
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Clearly.
The question is why? Is it an Anaheim problem, or is it a Zegras problem? And to be clear, there is a very large, innocuous middle ground here.
But I think there is some reason to think that it is, at least partially, a Zegras problem. And if it is, is it still an issue when he gets out of Anaheim
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I think it's a Zegras and Verbeek problem.
They really seem to have an oil and water thing going on.
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11-15-2024, 08:51 AM
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#1707
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Clearly.
The question is why? Is it an Anaheim problem, or is it a Zegras problem? And to be clear, there is a very large, innocuous middle ground here.
But I think there is some reason to think that it is, at least partially, a Zegras problem. And if it is, is it still an issue when he gets out of Anaheim
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It is a zegras problem. At best if you pick him up you are getting a somewhat offensive 2nd line center who can be in the top 40-50 scorers for center men in the league who cannot play defence.
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11-15-2024, 08:57 AM
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#1708
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Franchise Player
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I’d be fine if the Flames bought low on Zegras
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11-15-2024, 08:58 AM
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#1709
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Originally Posted by jayswin
That's not what that means at all. It means they literally just drafted him and don't have any appetite to trade him before even seeing what he could be, and will likely trade almost anything else before a centre with huge upside?
How often do teams trade a top 15 pick in the same draft year before knowing what they have? Especially a highly thought of centre? I would put lots of money on him being untouchable in a trade right now, but yet he keeps coming up as a trade piece. is this coming from somewhere or just standard CP hoping that turns to "speculation"?
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Jarome Iginla immediately came to mind. I'm sure we could find more if we wanted to delve into it but we would many. It's rare.
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11-15-2024, 09:09 AM
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#1710
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by jayswin
What a garbage person. He literally timed that to walk as slow and sad as he could past the camera. What an absolute loser.
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First thing I thought of is the sad walk from Arrested Development
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11-15-2024, 09:12 AM
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#1711
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Originally Posted by AC
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He's just sad that they took the "Mighty" out of their name.
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11-15-2024, 09:19 AM
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#1712
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Buff
Jarome Iginla immediately came to mind. I'm sure we could find more if we wanted to delve into it but we would many. It's rare.
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Too bad we don't have a Joe Nieuwendyke to trade for him.
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11-15-2024, 09:20 AM
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#1713
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Albert
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Zegras has warts, but that team as a whole has major issues. Aside from the goalie, who is outperforming expectations, or even meeting them?
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11-15-2024, 09:24 AM
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#1714
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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I always got the impression that Zegras has been a Hollywood pretty boy. It’s his prerogative to prioritize hockey or not but it really seems like he’s self absorbed in his image. Depending on the price I’d be willing to trade for his skill but he wouldn’t resign nor would he provide you franchise player determination. So realistically he’s worth a 1st and a bit based on that skill alone. But anything more than that is simply overpayment. And if that’s a mid or high first I’d just skip it.
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11-15-2024, 09:24 AM
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#1715
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaydee
zegras is a certified tool I want nothing to do with him
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
What a garbage person. He literally timed that to walk as slow and sad as he could past the camera. What an absolute loser.
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Jumping to some pretty serious conclusions about a 23 year old man here.
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11-15-2024, 09:24 AM
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#1716
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: MTL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
He is super talented but he has an attitude problem and I don't think he would sign long term in Canada anyhow.
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I have a friend in common with Zegras. Apparently when there were rumours about coming to Montreal, he was stoked (a fair number of Americans seem to like playing on the Habs).
So I wouldn't assume there is a blanket Canada issue for him. At this point, he would probably be happy to be anywhere he is set up for success.
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11-15-2024, 09:33 AM
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#1717
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Originally Posted by Funkhouser
I have a friend in common with Zegras. Apparently when there were rumours about coming to Montreal, he was stoked (a fair number of Americans seem to like playing on the Habs).
So I wouldn't assume there is a blanket Canada issue for him. At this point, he would probably be happy to be anywhere he is set up for success.
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Who doesn’t like Montreal? As a mid 20s guy it’d be fun.
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11-15-2024, 09:34 AM
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#1718
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Apparently, according to David Littman of hockey trade rumours, Friedman made some comments to the effect that CBJ might be open to moving on from D David Jiricek. Seems he’s struggling this season a bit, and finding it hard to earn ice-time from HC Dean Evason- he’s been scratched several times, and when he does play, it’s only 11+ minutes per game. Compounding the problem is that Jiricek had difficulty last year with management, and the new GM (Waddell) might not value him as much as Kek did. DJ’s agent is Allan Walsh btw.
I know we have a glut of D in the system, but this kid is a stud and a future star. Not sure what they would want, but I would back up the truck for this one.
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11-15-2024, 09:35 AM
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#1719
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Jarome Iginla immediately came to mind. I'm sure we could find more if we wanted to delve into it but we would many. It's rare.
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I went back to 1990. Martin Rucinsky was traded within a year of being drafted in the 1st round.
So were:
Eric Fichaud
Bryan Berard and Wade Redden (same trade)
Maybe Robyn Regehr - not sure when the Flames selected him as the prospect in that deal but the original trade was in February after the draft.
Nolan Foote
Landon Wilson and Phillippe Paradis were technically traded after a year but in actuality on the day of the following draft.
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11-15-2024, 09:54 AM
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#1720
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sandman
Apparently, according to David Littman of hockey trade rumours, Friedman made some comments to the effect that CBJ might be open to moving on from D David Jiricek. Seems he’s struggling this season a bit, and finding it hard to earn ice-time from HC Dean Evason- he’s been scratched several times, and when he does play, it’s only 11+ minutes per game. Compounding the problem is that Jiricek had difficulty last year with management, and the new GM (Waddell) might not value him as much as Kek did. DJ’s agent is Allan Walsh btw.
I know we have a glut of D in the system, but this kid is a stud and a future star. Not sure what they would want, but I would back up the truck for this one.
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I would do the NJ 1st, Poirier and Pelletier and consider that a steal.
With Jiricek on board and Bruz and Parekh in the system, that locks up the RD for the next decade, and puts a nail in any Andersson extention.
The Columbus roster is insane looking, so I don't know what they would want.
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