Star Wars

[CroFlames]

The Skywalker Saga is 6 movies.

The sequel trilogy is such a stupid storyline it should just be retconned. It bottles the mind that it was green lit.

[CaptainCrunch]

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I liked the political agenda in the OT, to me it really made Palpatine a unique threat. He didn't need to use the Force to bring down the Jedi, he used the system, and the corruption of the republic.



I always thought it was brilliant and used really well in the CW series, where Palpatine only whipped out the force once before the final events of Order 66.

I think we're talking about different kinds of political agendas lol.

The fictional politics were fine. Palps as a puppet master of the system was one of the more interesting aspects of the PT.

The real life political agendas bleeding into every facet of the new movies and shows has been to the detriment of the story, the depth of the characters and creativity they've been able to exercise and is what sucks.

Andor was by far the biggest deviation from the prevailing Disney agenda because it took risks and had complex characters who were wrestling with moral dilemmas and showed a gritty, dark and oppressed galaxy under imperial rule. The themes were also more adult and relatable. Even though the director wasn't a Star Wars nerd and it had nothing to do with the Jedi or Sith, it was the most OT Star Wars project in tone and quality (with R1 a not too distant second).

[Buff]

Some of my favorite works in the Extended Universe didn't involve Han, Luke or Leia, or they were merely given a "cameo" role in some of my favorite works.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Surprised this isn't in here:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...gy-1236055848/

Simon Kinberg reportedly hired to write and produce the next Star Wars Trilogy. This trilogy will feature new cast and story and not be a continuation of the Skywalker Saga.

So I read the link and I saw this:

Lucasfilm topper Kathleen Kennedy will also produce the new trilogy.

That's not good news.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Buff

So I read the link and I saw this:



That's not good news.

That lady must genuinely know where bodies are buried or have photographic evidence or something.

Maybe Walt Disney is cryogenically frozen and she's holding him in her basement?

Is she dating George Lucas? Theres got to be something.

In the film industry it just seems like nobody gets this much lee-way.

[dammage79]

Star wars/Disney/Marvel are all cookie cutter templates now. I'll still watch but you might as well slap in avengers or the last trilogy and get the same story.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Locke

That lady must genuinely know where bodies are buried or have photographic evidence or something.

Maybe Walt Disney is cryogenically frozen and she's holding him in her basement?

Is she dating George Lucas? Theres got to be something.

In the film industry it just seems like nobody gets this much lee-way.

Kathleen Kennedy had a ridiculously incredible Hollywood resume. The Star Wars sequel trilogy was brutal, no doubt, but she's definitely earned lee-way.

[CroFlames]

Despite it all, she's making money for The Mouse.

That's all that matters these days.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by nik-

Kathleen Kennedy had a ridiculously incredible Hollywood resume. The Star Wars sequel trilogy was brutal, no doubt, but she's definitely earned lee-way.

Yeah... I just looked up her wikipedia... her resume is outstanding. Produced ET, Jurassic Park, Twister, Lincoln...? Maybe she has some misses, but her work puts her at/near the top of the game, no question... she was EP on Back to the Future...

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Yeah... I just looked up her wikipedia... her resume is outstanding. Produced ET, Jurassic Park, Twister, Lincoln...? Maybe she has some misses, but her work puts her at/near the top of the game, no question... she was EP on Back to the Future...

I think you would struggle to find anyone in Hollywood with her level of home runs. It really does make her complete whiff on Star Wars that much more shocking. It could be as simple as her giving some proteges way too much say.

[Mr.Coffee]

All I know is they better absolutely NAIL the story for the next set of movies or they truly may destroy the franchise. They’ve done so much damage and so much of it is story-related.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

All I know is they better absolutely NAIL the story for the next set of movies or they truly may destroy the franchise. They’ve done so much damage and so much of it is story-related.

Lets be honest. There hasn't been a good main story Star Wars movie in 41 years. Star Wars been dead. The only thing keeping it going is the toxic ass fanbase.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by nik-

Lets be honest. There hasn't been a good main story Star Wars movie in 41 years. Star Wars been dead. The only thing keeping it going is the toxic ass fanbase.

I thought Rogue 1 was not bad, but fair point. Also episode 3 was okay, tying the dog#### prequel movies into the old storyline. That was kinda interesting-ish.

[nik-]

Episode 3 was only relatively ok.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Buff

So I read the link and I saw this:



That's not good news.

Oh dear.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I thought Rogue 1 was not bad, but fair point. Also episode 3 was okay, tying the dog#### prequel movies into the old storyline. That was kinda interesting-ish.

I hate the seque trilogy but if we look at Episode VII by itself it was a decent opening chapter to a story that had a lot more promise than it delivered on, albeit it derivative of ANH in parts.

VII and Rogue One I'd give a 7 and 8 out of 10 respectively.

Episode III is probably in that same category for order 66 and how it ties everything together.

But yeah I would agree we haven't had any "classics" since the originals.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I hate the seque trilogy but if we look at Episode VII by itself it was a decent opening chapter to a story that had a lot more promise than it delivered on, albeit it derivative of ANH in parts.

I rewatched episode VII recently, and it’s still a pretty entertaining SW movie that set up some potentially cool storylines heading into the next chapter. Unfortunately the last two movies failed to deliver on the stuff that Abrams was trying to set up, and the whole thing went off the rails after that.

Rogue One was outstanding. But yea, other than that the movies have mostly been s*** since the OG trilogy.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I hate the seque trilogy but if we look at Episode VII by itself it was a decent opening chapter to a story that had a lot more promise than it delivered on, albeit it derivative of ANH in parts.

VII and Rogue One I'd give a 7 and 8 out of 10 respectively.

Episode III is probably in that same category for order 66 and how it ties everything together.

But yeah I would agree we haven't had any "classics" since the originals.

The first two prequel movies are essentially just a bunch of annoying meandering that really doesn't add much. Yes, they set up the backstory that the Jedi are arrogant and Palpatine was working right under their noses to take them down. There really wasn't two movies of plot there though, and the films are filled with straight up annoying characters taking up screen time.

Maul had potential, but ended up being some ballet artist who gets chopped in half. Does anyone care about Dooku? They somehow found a way to make the Clone Wars boring.

Stuff actually happens in Episode 3, which makes it a much better and more tolerable film.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I rewatched episode VII recently, and it’s still a pretty entertaining SW movie that set up some potentially cool storylines heading into the next chapter. Unfortunately the last two movies failed to deliver on the stuff that Abrams was trying to set up, and the whole thing went off the rails after that.

Rogue One was outstanding. But yea, other than that the movies have mostly been s*** since the OG trilogy.

Episode VIII purposely tries to subvert everything that was done in Episode VII, become Rian Jonson needs to show everyone how clever he is. Episode IX then tries to clumsily undo episode VIII. Episode IX is already an attempt to retcon much of episode VIII. Episode VIII wrote the sequel trilogy into a corner, and they just said F it, everything we set up in Episode VII has been destroyed, let's just bring back Palpatine.