Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

One of my buddies is a doctor (general practitioner) and has decided to close his practice effective April 2025. I'm grabbing a bite to eat with him later this week and I suspect I'll learn that the Alberta government's continued screwing of our healthcare system in this province is a big factor.

Whats his alternative plan? I'm assuming if he's of similar age to you he's too young to retire?

[Zevo]

G.P.s have several options other than running their own practice besides retirement. They can work out of the hospital in Emerge, be an assist to surgeons during surgeries, cover as a locum when G.P.s go on holidays, work out of a clinic, etc.

No overhead or headache of running your own office.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Locke

Whats his alternative plan? I'm assuming if he's of similar age to you he's too young to retire?

Just one year older than us, but to Zevo’s point, he has sounded completely wiped out work-wise the last year and a bit as is often the case with running your own practice. I will find out next weekend what he’s planning for the future.

Definitely too young to retire.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Just one year older than us, but to Zevo’s point, he has sounded completely wiped out work-wise the last year and a bit as is often the case with running your own practice. I will find out next weekend what he’s planning for the future.

Definitely too young to retire.

Maybe he heard the call of the theatre.

[Torture]

I don't know about all of you, but I for one, can't wait for my kid to learn that Alberta is the most ethical oil producer in the world.

A curriculum framework that calls on teachers to promote Alberta’s oil and gas industry to schoolchildren was quietly published months ago, to the surprise of education experts and the opposition.

The document was published online in April (opens in a new tab)and includes a directive from Minister of Education Demetrios Nicolaides to teach K-12 students about "Alberta’s reputation as the most ethical producer of oil in the world," and "the importance of natural resources in enabling and sustaining Alberta’s society and Albertans’ quality of life."

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/kids-to-...e%20opposition.

I heart oil and gas stickers for every child in Alberta!

[direwolf]

Just when you think this government couldn’t get any more pathetic, stupid, and embarrassing, they just continue to top themselves day after day. It’s remarkable, really.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Just when you think this government couldn’t get any more pathetic, stupid, and embarrassing, they just continue to top themselves day after day. It’s remarkable, really.

You really thought that they couldn’t possibly continue to lower the bar? It’s really the only thing they’re good at aside from doing the bidding of their corporate overlords. What a time to be an Albertan.

[Fuzz]

Albertans love one party rule, so why not go full CCP and just have the government make up facts to teach children? This democracy thing is such a hassle anyway, they had to move the election date to give themselves even more time in power, it's a wonder we even bother with them.

[Monahammer]

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Generally I am not ok with indoctrination and the idea of misinforming kids, but do any of you have a real rebuttal to this? It is very likely the most ethically produced oil in the world.
- We are the leading jurisdiction in the world in carbon capture and sequestration, ultimately reducing the impact of our extraction and use of oil while continuing to produce it. At the cost of billions of dollars to ourselves.
- We are one of the few jurisdictions on earth who actually gives a single #### about indigenous peoples and goes through profound consultation with them to develop any new resource project.
- We are (mostly) a very corruption-free region of the world.
- We have incredible equality, especially compared to many other oil producing economies, between women and men in our workforce.
- We have much more stringent emissions regulations, effluent regulations, and environmental recovery regulations than basically anywhere else on earth that produces oil.

Yeah, yeah, victory laps abound on the dumb UCP governors. But in this case, this isn't a lie. We do produce oil ethically compared to everywhere else.

Now, maybe you wish to argue that any oil extraction is unethical. But I will gladly take you up on that as well.

[Fuzz]

Norway?

[Monahammer]

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ic-2024-01-16/

Depends on your thoughts on drilling in the north sea. Many environmentalists think this is the worst possible sin. But I'd say we are pretty on par with them for other considerations. So we are top 2?

[Monahammer]

PS that was the weakest rebuttal possible. I would argue firmly that some of the conditions we have imposed on our industry outstrip those imposed by the norwegian government. Additionally, they are only regionally required to consult indigenous peoples on resource projects. We are required to do so anywhere.

[puffnstuff]

Cant find it again at the moment but someone did talk about it online, Alberta wasnt even the 'most ethical' (whatever that means/how its defined) in Canada

[Fuzz]

Maybe? I dunno, given the negatives around oil I don't think it's great to be trumpeting it, even if we are the best. I'm sure many indigenous would scoff at that(particularly those downstream form the oilsands) so having it be taught to their children in school may even feel like a bit of a kick to the face. The reality is, it's completely unnecessarily.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

...

Generally I am not ok with indoctrination and the idea of misinforming kids, but do any of you have a real rebuttal to this? It is very likely the most ethically produced oil in the world.
- We are the leading jurisdiction in the world in carbon capture and sequestration, ultimately reducing the impact of our extraction and use of oil while continuing to produce it. At the cost of billions of dollars to ourselves.
- We are one of the few jurisdictions on earth who actually gives a single #### about indigenous peoples and goes through profound consultation with them to develop any new resource project.
- We are (mostly) a very corruption-free region of the world.
- We have incredible equality, especially compared to many other oil producing economies, between women and men in our workforce.
- We have much more stringent emissions regulations, effluent regulations, and environmental recovery regulations than basically anywhere else on earth that produces oil.

Yeah, yeah, victory laps abound on the dumb UCP governors. But in this case, this isn't a lie. We do produce oil ethically compared to everywhere else.

Now, maybe you wish to argue that any oil extraction is unethical. But I will gladly take you up on that as well.

I don't think its necessarily that us having ethical oil is false. It's proclaiming it as a fact (when it really is an opinion) instead of our children coming to those conclusions on their own through actual teaching. It's really no different than saying "God is good" or "UCP is moving Alberta Forward". It's straight up indoctrination, and not curriculum, regardless of if you believe it or not.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ic-2024-01-16/

Depends on your thoughts on drilling in the north sea. Many environmentalists think this is the worst possible sin. But I'd say we are pretty on par with them for other considerations. So we are top 2?

Ya we are, anyone arguing otherwise are the equivalent of people who describe vaccines as 'jabs' in their lexicon. Not debateable they are morons.

Norway's basins are so not comparable tour own that its almost a different resource. But ya, Norway is a good standard and we are up there with them, mostly.

So what jab are you guys on? What do you think of Turdeau?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by indes

I don't think its necessarily that us having ethical oil is false. It's proclaiming it as a fact (when it really is an opinion) instead of our children coming to those conclusions on their own through actual teaching. It's really no different than saying "God is good" or "UCP is moving Alberta Forward". It's straight up indoctrination, and not curriculum, regardless of if you believe it or not.

Ya, like a reasonable way to handle it would be "Some say that Alberta produces the most ethical oil in the world. Write a position paper(or have an old fashioned debate!) choosing a side to defend or disprove this statement." But to just say it as fact is not teaching. It's telling.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Cant find it again at the moment but someone did talk about it online, Alberta wasnt even the 'most ethical' (whatever that means/how its defined) in Canada

I would love to read this. Please link it to me or describe where you saw it so I can search for it.

[wireframe]

I'll take a stab at it. Canadian oil is ethical in treatment of workers and local environment but it is a very carbon intensive oil to produce. Getting usable oil out of the oil sands is an order of magnitude more carbon intensive than in Saudi Arabia, where they can basically drill a hole and move on. So, yes, Canada does a better job of regulating and capturing carbon but we also produce a lot more to begin with.



Please don't attack me about this. I understand there are other factors besides carbon intensity.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, like a reasonable way to handle it would be "Some say that Alberta produces the most ethical oil in the world. Write a position paper(or have an old fashioned debate!) choosing a side to defend or disprove this statement." But to just say it as fact is not teaching. It's telling.

Sorry, but what the #### are you talking about?

Telling people facts can indeed be considered teaching if we are being pedantic.

I think you are hung up on whether or not this is indeed a fact. I can tell you that based on substantial comparison of our region to other global production clusters, we have a strong comparative ESG performance, which I would equate to being "ethical".