There's been a lot of copium in recent days being presented to avoid looking within and blame shifting. In the meantime Bernie Sanders is fully right about Democrats abandoning the working class and had a great interview yesterday with NBC.
Kristen Welker tried to prod some soundbites from Sanders about agreeing to current Democrat narratives, this being about women candidates being unelectable, he did not agree. Another about Biden being the one at fault, he did not agree. Another one about getting him to say Sotomayor should step down due to age (when Sanders himself is 83), he did not agree.
He shut down the narrative pretty strongly. I really like how Sanders answered the questions.
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Except Bernie is completely wrong about the Dems "abandoning the working class". This was the most favorable government to middle and lower income people in a long long time and Harris' proposals went even further.
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Except Bernie is completely wrong about the Dems "abandoning the working class". This was the most favorable government to middle and lower income people in a long long time and Harris' proposals went even further.
They were vocally very supportive and helped address some pension issues, which to be fair they share part of the blame for creating in the first place, but they didn’t actually get any substantial legislation passed in terms of fixing problems facing working class people.
Being the “most favourable government to middle and lower income people in a long time” doesn’t mean much when the bar was set as low as it was.
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They were vocally very supportive and helped address some pension issues, which to be fair they share part of the blame for creating in the first place, but they didn’t actually get any substantial legislation passed in terms of fixing problems facing working class people.
Being the “most favourable government to middle and lower income people in a long time” doesn’t mean much when the bar was set as low as it was.
This is wild to me, people are holding the Biden Harris administration accountable to the Clinton and Obama Administrations, while Trump can't even be help to responsible for his own promises, let alone record or proven criminality. And Biden actively tried to do more but we constrained by a divided government.
Being the most favourable means a lot when you are comparing it to the least favourable since Reagan.
I actually do get why people felt squeezed, particularly in '22/'23. But real wages were up, manufacturers were hiring. It's objective truth that everything these people say they want Biden made better, and Trump made worse.
I honestly think the Democrats biggest flaw was ever letting people know they did anything, because the average person is better off now then they were 4 years ago, but these are small changes on a personal level that aren't strongly felt. And when they hear these changes look big in aggregate they assume somebodies life got a lot better and they missed out, instead of understanding that a lot of peoples lives got a little bit better (which is really the best you can hope for in a 4 year span, especially with a divided congress and captured courts actively trying to make things worse.).
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There's been a lot of copium in recent days being presented to avoid looking within and blame shifting. In the meantime Bernie Sanders is fully right about Democrats abandoning the working class and had a great interview yesterday with NBC.
Kristen Welker tried to prod some soundbites from Sanders about agreeing to current Democrat narratives, this being about women candidates being unelectable, he did not agree. Another about Biden being the one at fault, he did not agree. Another one about getting him to say Sotomayor should step down due to age (when Sanders himself is 83), he did not agree.
He shut down the narrative pretty strongly. I really like how Sanders answered the questions.
Not just Bernie Sanders, Andrew Yang pulls no punches.
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Except Bernie is completely wrong about the Dems "abandoning the working class". This was the most favorable government to middle and lower income people in a long long time and Harris' proposals went even further.
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Objectively, it's true. The problem is that Democrats seem to have a befuddlingly awful track-record of relating that truth to voters.
The guys from Pod Save America were on Jimmy Kimmel a few days after the election and I thought it was fascinating to hear the difference between writing speeches or Obama and Hillary Clinton.
The idea that Hillary was more policy minded, while Obama was concerned with the overall story and how it is framed, feels to resonate a little bit more considering how difficult it has been for Democrats - since Obama - to seemingly relate with voters without relying on "we're not Trump".
The Democrats are, across the board, the better option socially and economically for the vast majority of Americans. They just can't figure out a more effective way of making it digestible to the average person without dumbing it down to the modern GOP message.
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Have you seen what real wage growth has looked like for the bottom 40% of earners? Compared to pre-pandemic, annualized real wage growth among the bottom quintile was 30x higher than it was from 1980-2019. And in the 20th-40th percentile, it was 3x higher.
And the last 4 years has the only time in the last 50 years where middle income people (40th-60th percentile) saw real wage growth coming out of a recession. Every other time their real earnings had declined relative to pre-recession at this point in the cycle.
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Yeah, it's kind of funny. Democrats lose the Presidency by maybe 1.5 points and the house by a few seats in a worldwide climate where incumbents are getting tossed out left and right. And the response is "tear it all down, they've completely abandoned the working class, etc.".
Meanwhile the Republicans lost the 2020 election by nearly 6 points and their candidate tried to overthrow the democratic process to stay in power. Then they just run the same guy again 4 years later and win.
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Have you seen what real wage growth has looked like for the bottom 40% of earners? Compared to pre-pandemic, annualized real wage growth among the bottom quintile was 30x higher than it was from 1980-2019. And in the 20th-40th percentile, it was 3x higher.
And the last 4 years has the only time in the last 50 years where middle income people (40th-60th percentile) saw real wage growth coming out of a recession. Every other time their real earnings had declined relative to pre-recession at this point in the cycle.
Can you provide a source for the data you’re looking at here? All of the data I’ve seen has not shown this, but maybe I’ve been pulling the wrong data.
Objectively, it's true. The problem is that Democrats seem to have a befuddlingly awful track-record of relating that truth to voters.
The guys from Pod Save America were on Jimmy Kimmel a few days after the election and I thought it was fascinating to hear the difference between writing speeches or Obama and Hillary Clinton.
The idea that Hillary was more policy minded, while Obama was concerned with the overall story and how it is framed, feels to resonate a little bit more considering how difficult it has been for Democrats - since Obama - to seemingly relate with voters without relying on "we're not Trump".
The Democrats are, across the board, the better option socially and economically for the vast majority of Americans. They just can't figure out a more effective way of making it digestible to the average person without dumbing it down to the modern GOP message.
People don't care about policy, they care about soundbites and stories. Trump just won an election based upon policies that will hurt the average American. He is viewed with distrust by nearly everyone who didn't vote for him and a lot of people who did vote for him. But he has a story - a story about how he is going to fix all of people's problems and in doing so he has made it about evil migrants who are terrorizing communities. There are heartfelt messages from people who have been victims of crime and that is part of the story that they are being sold.
It is an easy to digest story. Same thing with transgendered people - they want to ruin womens sports and that they are defending women, while at the same time taking away women's freedom to choose.
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Can you provide a source for the data you’re looking at here? All of the data I’ve seen has not shown this, but maybe I’ve been pulling the wrong data.
The EPI definitely has a slant, but their data is from the US Government's Current Population Survey. And looking at the raw data in the CPS survey, it seems to check out based on a quick glance.
